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What do you all think of de Bethune? The designs remind me of L Leroy
 

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What do you all think of de Bethune? The designs remind me of L Leroy
Just looked at some images online. Not my style.

This watch, with an MSRP of $98,500 (!), looks to me like the product of a collaboration with Starfleet.

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think De Betune is really amazing. However everything they produce tends to be around 44mm and wear large (with one or two exceptions), and retail for about 100k. Amazing stuff, perhaps in 10 years time
 

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Just looked at some images online. Not my style.

This watch, with an MSRP of $98,500 (!), looks to me like the product of a collaboration with Starfleet.

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oh yeah. this is kind of pretty though:
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I will never know or care enough about watchmaking to prefer it to some abandoned L. Leroy relaunch attempt that looks very similar:
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Wow, the blue dial really elevates that watch in my eyes.
I really like the blue dial version a lot. Although, I think someone here tried it on, and thought the blue dial was rather disappointing in person compared to in photos. IMHO, it may be their nicest sports watches to be offered since the original 222.

Looking at all the current sports watches, I feel like I will probably get a 38mm Laureato next =/ I considered paying grey market prices for the 41mm RO, but in the end it still feels like 41mm wears really big and aggressive. 39mm is absolutely the perfect size for the RO, with 37 and 41 having odd proportions but the price for the jumbo doesn't show any signs of abating for the next few years. The Overseas is also a tad large for what it is - IMO, the base 3 hander should be 39 instead of 41, given how plain the dial is.

There's also some sort of pleasant "laid-backness" to the Laureato I found surprisingly pleasing - despite the obvious comparisons to the RO, I think they genuinely wear very differently, kind of like sharp english tailoring vs italian tailoring.

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I have always liked the design of the Laureato, even with clear RO influence. I tried one on a few years ago, and my main issue was the bracelet. It was sort of a let down, in that to me the bracelet just didn't seem robust enough or well matched for the case. The bracelet seemed almost flimsy or not as high quality as the rest of the watch. It gave the watch a somewhat top heavy feel, rather than seeming well balanced. Still, it represents an interesting option for someone seeking an alternative to a RO, Nautilus or Overseas. I agree the time only Overseas seems a bit large. The Alpine Eagle I like the dial design/texturing and the bracelet. However the overall watch doesn't do anything for me. The bezel became boring as they rounded it off from the previous St. Moritz line, and I don't like Roman numerals or lumed Roman numerals on sports watches. They just don't look as clean and appropriate as stick markers (as evidenced by the RO, Nautilus, Overseas, and others). Wishing you luck and looking forward to seeing what you eventually choose.
 

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They can keep them I’ll go buy a 911 Turbo S so I can actually drive it rather than being a garage Queen. They do nothing for me same chassis since 2009 with outdated interior and change of model numbers.
The best both worlds is owning something from Porsche and Ferrari. A lot of Ferrari owners also own a Porsche or have owned Porsches. The difference being the current/recent 911 Turbo S is so easy to drive your grandmother can drive it, it does everything perfectly, but is far less engaging to drive. It wouldn't even be on my radar. I'd rather have a 930 Turbo, a 964 Turbo 3.6 or a 993 Turbo S than a modern Turbo S or a recent Porsche GT model. As for the current 911 Turbo S, meh...the new 992 Turbo S is blubbery and not very attractive. Anyway, my point was there are other products/companies where people have to buy other products or have customer history to get something particularly sought after (that is true of Porsche also). Foo is a rarity getting a GT3RS allocation without having a prior Porsche purchase history or paying significantly over MSRP . Anyway, I'll gladly own something from Porsche and Ferrari.
 

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The best both worlds is owning something from Porsche and Ferrari. A lot of Ferrari owners also own a Porsche or have owned Porsches. The difference being the current/recent 911 Turbo S is so easy to drive your grandmother can drive it, it does everything perfectly, but is far less engaging to drive. It wouldn't even be on my radar. I'd rather have a 930 Turbo, a 964 Turbo 3.6 or a 993 Turbo S than a modern Turbo S or a recent Porsche GT model. As for the current 911 Turbo S, meh...the new 992 Turbo S is blubbery and not very attractive. Anyway, my point was there are other products/companies where people have to buy other products or have customer history to get something particularly sought after (that is true of Porsche also). Foo is a rarity getting a GT3RS allocation without having a prior Porsche purchase history or paying significantly over MSRP . Anyway, I'll gladly own something from Porsche and Ferrari.
What would you consider peak Ferrari?
 

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No. You need to look closer at what you’re paying for.

$15-20K for a completely machine-finished gold Reverso with a pedestrian, workmanlike movement is silly when you are within spitting distance of entry-level watches from makers like Lange, Breguet, VC, etc., that simply operate at a much higher level.
By your logic a Submariner fall into the same category……MSRP is creeping towards $10K for a steel watch with nothing special in it, right?
 

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An independent that I think is killing it right now is H. Moser. Their watches are not cheap by any objective measure, but are a lot less expensive than many of their indie competitors. They have a distinct design language; you know a watch is a Moser without seeing the name on the dial.

The perpetual calendar is a beautiful study in minimalism:



The Streamliner is a rare luxury sports watch that doesn't take design cues from a Genta creation:

 

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When you see a Nautilus, the owner may be a huge watch nerd (pre 2015 owner), or a massive douche (post 2015 owner).
Presumably you have similar views on the wearer of [every Rolex sports watch], although I guess the cut-off date might differ.
 

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By your logic a Submariner fall into the same category……MSRP is creeping towards $10K for a steel watch with nothing special in it, right?
Totally different kinds of watches. Part of what you are paying for in a Rolex is sporty/durable design and bullet-proof reliability (well, as close as possible in the world of mechanical watches). That is a different aim versus packing in complications into a dressy watch, which puts JLC against the traditional heavy-hitting makers.
 

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