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Word is people that drive Porsche are major tools.
I find people move out of my way when I’m driving it on the motorway (highway) and they don’t with my daily BMW. I don’t know if that means I’m a major tool when in the 911 or BMW? Maybe both 🤷
 

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I find people move out of my way when I’m driving it on the motorway (highway) and they don’t with my daily BMW. I don’t know if that means I’m a major tool when in the 911 or BMW? Maybe both 🤷
People are just confused thinking any car with Porsche shield = Fast car and give way.
 

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What are people's thoughts on the JLC Master Control Chrono that released last year? Long story short, the Zenith Sports Chrono I bought was losing 8 seconds per day and frankly I didn't want to bother with getting a brand new watch regulated/adjusted so I'm considering the JLC as its replacement. I love the versatility of the JLC and think it would work well either dressed up or down but I'm curious if others have seen this watch in person or have any other solid alternatives to pursue.
I posted this watch recently. It is a fantastic value. My only gripe is the lone numeral at 12 o’clock, but if that doesn’t bother you, there’s not much else to complain about.

That said, it’s not unusual for a watch to need regulation and losing eight seconds a day is hardly egregious. In fact, if it’s consistently losing eight seconds, the watch is very precise! Much harder to be precise than randomly accurate.

In rose gold, it slaps.
JLC watches in gold make no sense. The value proposition is completely wiped out.
 

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People are just confused thinking any car with Porsche shield = Fast car and give way.
Probably, they certainly do when I’m on a motorbike.

re. the JLC, I think that range look stunning in gold, but the value point is valid - they are twice as expensive.
 

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Have to say, I kinda like this. Especially with the bronze bracelet too. Always felt like the 43mm size was just a bit too bulky.
 

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Slightly different look today on a Nato. Already ordered a deployment clasp from Omega and when that comes in will be sending to David Lane to set on a mid brown leather. Probably a whiskey Butero which I think should be the goldilocks happy medium as I find the bracelet too formal and the Nato too casual.
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Word is people that drive Porsche are major tools.
I was under the impression that people that make their own money drive Porsche’s. I understand all of this demand and supply bull crap with producing less cars/ watches etc to hike demand but I have driven and worked on many of these automobiles. Fiats are not for me. 911 Turbo S or GT trim will outperform anything that is made in Italy. Then again you already knew that! 😎
 

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I posted this watch recently. It is a fantastic value. My only gripe is the lone numeral at 12 o’clock, but if that doesn’t bother you, there’s not much else to complain about.

That said, it’s not unusual for a watch to need regulation and losing eight seconds a day is hardly egregious. In fact, if it’s consistently losing eight seconds, the watch is very precise! Much harder to be precise than randomly accurate.



JLC watches in gold make no sense. The value proposition is completely wiped out.
You make no sense. What the fuck is “value,” anyway. Why would a rose gold JLC be any less “valuable” than its steel counterpart? I like rose and yellow gold because it’s heavier and looks cool. I don’t care about what the secondary market says. I don’t care about how much I’ll lose if I ever decide to part with a piece. I don’t care about anything other than what I “value”: do I like this better in rose or yellow gold? If the answer is affirmative, then I buy.

If I cared about “value,” at least the way you’re defining it, I’d never buy anything other than stainless Rolex and Patek. I don’t do that.
 

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I posted this watch recently. It is a fantastic value. My only gripe is the lone numeral at 12 o’clock, but if that doesn’t bother you, there’s not much else to complain about.

That said, it’s not unusual for a watch to need regulation and losing eight seconds a day is hardly egregious. In fact, if it’s consistently losing eight seconds, the watch is very precise! Much harder to be precise than randomly accurate.



JLC watches in gold make no sense. The value proposition is completely wiped out.
What…..the…..FUCK….are you talking about? A JLC reverso in Y/RG is not worth it’s own value?

You got some ‘xplaining to do….
 

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You make no sense. What the fuck is “value,” anyway. Why would a rose gold JLC be any less “valuable” than its steel counterpart? I like rose and yellow gold because it’s heavier and looks cool. I don’t care about what the secondary market says. I don’t care about how much I’ll lose if I ever decide to part with a piece. I don’t care about anything other than what I “value”: do I like this better in rose or yellow gold? If the answer is affirmative, then I buy.

If I cared about “value,” at least the way you’re defining it, I’d never buy anything other than stainless Rolex and Patek. I don’t do that.
I won't speak for foo, but from my perspective, JLC's steel watches are very competetive in their price range (i.e., their high on the list of watches I would consider in the under $10k bracket).

But when you get to their prices for the gold versions, you start bumping up against watches that are, in my opinion, higher tier. If I'm going to spend $25 - $30k on a watch, it's probably not going to be a JLC.
 

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You make no sense. What the fuck is “value,” anyway. Why would a rose gold JLC be any less “valuable” than its steel counterpart? I like rose and yellow gold because it’s heavier and looks cool. I don’t care about what the secondary market says. I don’t care about how much I’ll lose if I ever decide to part with a piece. I don’t care about anything other than what I “value”: do I like this better in rose or yellow gold? If the answer is affirmative, then I buy.

If I cared about “value,” at least the way you’re defining it, I’d never buy anything other than stainless Rolex and Patek. I don’t do that.
Do I not make sense or do you not follow?

JLC movements are not nearly as refined as the like from Lange, Patek, VC, etc. With some exception, they are very workmanlike and intended to deliver the most function/complication for the dollar by relying on machine finishing and movement design more focused on ease of manufacture and servicing than fineness of design or structure.

Once you double the price of a JLC watch by opting for a precious metal case, it overlaps with watches from manufactures doing much finer, higher quality work. Thus, the value proposition becomes less clear. You may still be getting more complications for the dollar, but the watch then considerably lags behind similar-priced watches from better makers along many important vectors.

I wasn’t speaking to value retention.
 
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What…..the…..FUCK….are you talking about? A JLC reverso in Y/RG is not worth it’s own value?

You got some ‘xplaining to do….
No. You need to look closer at what you’re paying for.

$15-20K for a completely machine-finished gold Reverso with a pedestrian, workmanlike movement is silly when you are within spitting distance of entry-level watches from makers like Lange, Breguet, VC, etc., that simply operate at a much higher level.
 

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Do I not make sense or do you not follow?

JLC movements are not nearly as refined as the like from Lange, Patek, VC, etc. With some exception, they are very workmanlike and intended to deliver the most function/complication for the dollar by relying on machine finishing and movement design more focused on ease of manufacture and servicing than fineness of design or structure.

Once you double the price of a JLC watch by opting for a precious metal case, it overlaps with watches from manufactures doing much finer, higher quality work. Thus, the value proposition becomes less clear. You may be getting more complications for the dollar still, but the watch then considerably lags behind similar-priced watches along many other important vectors.

I wasn’t speaking to value retention.
Jesus fucking Christ, thus guy. Look, I would draw it for you, if I could. Here's what I mean:

Me seeing the JLC master calendar chrono in steel: "Oh, nice."
Me seeing the same watch but in rose gold: "OOOOOOH SHIT ME NEEDS NOW!"

That's value for me. Period. Value = I love it. Fuck other brands. Fuck other less "pedestrian" watches. Fuck the less finished "workmanlike" movements.
 

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