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Absolutely 99.9% of the time, yes, occluded dials = deal-killer. I find they have a bad super-graphics feel, even at such small scale, most of the time.

The Lange 1815 (which I think is generally gorgeous) looks innocuous at a glance, but then seeing it on the wrist the chopped 6 ultimately is irritating and insulting more than anything. I always want the seconds hand to just kick the 6 entirely off the dial.

Chopped 2-4-8-10s are even more awkward on 2+ sub-dial watches. The 2 Breitlings are bad, and the PP is a complete disaster imo. By comparison I think that the G-P posted above your post is much more coherent and elegant, regarding the numbers/dials only (other aspects of the design bother me).

Removing color, finish, texture, etc., entirely, I know which dials I would choose, and which I would lose.

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Interesting. I never even knew occlusion and/or omission was a thing. Never bothered me. I do love reading about what makes people tick though, so your post was great.

My occlusion and omission afflicted dress watches....I love them!

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I'd say this is "ok but not ideal". I feel like I prefer cut off numbers over the shrunken numbers from FPJ for example.

I'll admit though that the 1815 u/d is one of my favorite watches, and I wouldn't hesitate for a minute even though there are both cut off and omitted numbers.
The 1815 u/d Walter Lange LE with the hinged case back is simply gorgeous imo
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Interesting. I never even knew occlusion and/or omission was a thing. Never bothered me. I do love reading about what makes people tick though, so your post was great.

My occlusion and omission afflicted dress watches....I love them!

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The 1815 u/d Walter Lange LE with the hinged case back is simply gorgeous imo
To be specific I don't like cut-off numbers at all, but do not mind, in most cases, fully omitted numbers. That Lange is super.

The Omega is beautiful too, I used to have a similar one, but the cut 5 and 7 "bother" me a bit. The leaf hands are so elegant though I could almost overlook the cut numbers.
 

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To be specific I don't like cut-off numbers at all, but do not mind, in most cases, fully omitted numbers. That Lange is super.

The Omega is beautiful too, I used to have a similar one, but the cut 5 and 7 "bother" me a bit. The leaf hands are so elegant though I could almost overlook the cut numbers.
I see.

Are you against date windows as well?
 

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I love Marine watches and recall when this Dornbluth was first produced, as a presumed "one-off" for a repeat client of theirs, before they made it a regular model. I thought the concept was so fine, love/respect all Dornbluths and their story. I liked every aspect of the design process drawings/evolution; the hands, the dial layout; the beautiful slightly-serifed D&S Arabic numerals (I really do not like open 4s, and will not buy a watch with them); the resolution of the calendar numbers is so perfect, etc.

But when this "99.5" was actually shown in the flesh for the first time one detail bothered me so much it would definitely be a deal-killer (especially because I do not have any idea why they did it, to this day)...and it is not the cut-off numbers.

Correct guesses will receive a free StyFo thumbs-up, as that's the extent of my watch budget these days.

 

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Occlusion for me is a greater crime than omission. YMMV.

The one example that really used to get on my nerves (still does to this day) because I truly like the watch quite a bit otherwise: the IWC Portugieser Chronograph.
 

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@venessian

guessing it's the inconsistent number orientation, they 'righted' the 20 n 30 but left the others oriented towards the center of the small dials
 

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I see.

Are you against date windows as well?
Not nearly as much. Some date windows are great, and to me are much more subjective as elements; it really depends on the watch.

I like my Damasko DA36 d/d window quite a lot, especially with the logo above it. It makes so much sense, forming that implied oval with the guards and crown, and the cross-hairs balance the dial fine. Plus, no cut-off or occluded numbers! :wink:

That said the Damasko DS30 "Windup Edition", with the round date only at the 6, is superb as well, even better than Damasko's own original DS30 version with rectangular date window at 3 interrupting the horizontal crosshair, imo.


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Damasko original DS30

Many others' windows are fine. I adore the IWC Mark VII and XV (every Mark after the XV is a complete disaster afaI'mc) dial/date window for example.


Otoh, I have a 1958 Omega Seamaster my father gave me, so it is very special, but in my loving dream/memories of him he buys instead a no-date (if it existed at the time, but I think it must have?) dial. The date window is very bothersome on that watch, given the very fine scale (all sticks, very thin) of the rest of the markers and hands.

The Omega looks like this; I love the dial but the really window bugs me and always will:
 

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Excellent guess by double00.

I will take a secondary stab at it and surmise it's possibly the design / length of the tail on the seconds hand?

Nothing like a good nit-picking session LOL. Nearly every watch is "flawed" in some way after all.
 

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Occlusion for me is a greater crime than omission. YMMV.

The one example that really used to get on my nerves (still does to this day) because I truly like the watch quite a bit otherwise: the IWC Portugieser Chronograph.
I'm completely with you there, at 6, 12, and a 100!
So beautiful but for those eyesores.
 

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Excellent guess by double00.

I will take a secondary stab at it and surmise it's possibly the design / length of the tail on the seconds hand?

Nothing like a good nit-picking session LOL. Nearly every watch is "flawed" in some way after all.
Nope.
Both excellent guesses, but I think double00 and yourself are maybe micro-scoping a bit too much. Maybe zoom out just a little?

I'll be doing a quick PS mock-up while you think on it; I think it will be very obvious then. The hint word starts with a "b"....
 

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Yeah, and at the same time I'm sure there are plenty of proud owners that never give it a second thought. We all like what we like.
 

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Nope.
Both excellent guesses, but I think double00 and yourself are maybe micro-scoping a bit too much. Maybe zoom out just a little?

I'll be doing a quick PS mock-up while you think on it; I think it will be very obvious then. The hint word starts with a "b"....
Blue hands?
 

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