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If your opinion is based on the supposed fact that is historically inaccurate, it means your opinion is wrong at worst or accidentally right at best.
Wait, wait , wait...didn't you try and convince me two days ago that your Biden-influencer theory was to some degree based on [your self-admitted error of historical fact] that he had been trotting around, campaigning and debating with his Rolex, BEFORE January? And that the press were making a big deal about it BEFORE January? It's almost like you had formed an opinion based either on a false memory, or a distorted representation of the facts.
 

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So I should listen to the navel gazing, overthinking academic instead of the master watchmaker. Got it. Definitely time for me to reevaluate my entire life.
I'd reckon there are many distinctions between maker and designer that are worth discussing...(I'm not too familiar with Smith's designs, but enough so that it seems he is more regarded for the make/movement rather than the design/aesthetic vs say, gerald genta, or the like...there is of course a large grey area, but distinctions to consider nonetheless?)
 

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I'd reckon there are many distinctions between maker and designer that are worth discussing...(I'm not too familiar with Smith's designs, but enough so that it seems he is more regarded for the make/movement rather than the design/aesthetic vs say, gerald genta, or the like...there is of course a large grey area, but distinctions to consider nonetheless?)
But if all we’re talking about is the aesthetic appeal of a watch, it doesn’t matter what anyone thinks except the person wearing it. I certainly don’t care what you or @radicaldog (or anyone else) think about what I’m wearing on my wrist.
 

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But if all we’re talking about is the aesthetic appeal of a watch, it doesn’t matter what anyone thinks except the person wearing it. I certainly don’t care what you or @radicaldog (or anyone else) think about what I’m wearing on my wrist.
And yet here you are, convincing me you don't care what I think...

Aside from that, I'd just say I'm not trying to advocate for a "side" here - and I did note the "large grey area" by which I meant the intersection between make and design...
 

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Imagine thinking this guy is an authority on aesthetics and design. I especially love the shiny pocket square that matches his lining, and the green thread on the boutonnière.
Uhh hello:

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You raised Roger Smith as a supposed example of an artisan maker able to match the capabilities of industrial watchmaking firms like Rolex. As illustrated above, you did so to show that artisanal watches can be all inclusive of the qualities and attributes enjoyed in industrially-made watches.

But as I’ve explained and as Roger Smith himself appreciates: he cannot do what Rolex does, as Rolex is a massive industrial firm with unique resources and capabilities.

How the man dresses is neither here nor there. But you also saw fit to attack my profession, as if it were a material point worth making. All of this feels an awful lot like grasping at straws and ad hominem insult. Instead of worrying about what my professors would think of my reasoning skills, maybe you should reflect more on your own.
 

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Wait, wait , wait...didn't you try and convince me two days ago that your Biden-influencer theory was to some degree based on [your self-admitted error of historical fact] that he had been trotting around, campaigning and debating with his Rolex, BEFORE January? And that the press were making a big deal about it BEFORE January? It's almost like you had formed an opinion based either on a false memory, or a distorted representation of the facts.
Do you understand the concept of materiality? Whether Biden’s watch first appeared a year ago or on inauguration day, the prices of his particular Rolex model have gone up 10-20% since inauguration whereas prices for the same model with different dials are more or less unchanged.

Remember, the key point in contention was whether Biden influenced demand for the watch he wore. Even if he first wore it on inauguration, it would only further support the conclusion that he did have such an effect.
 

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Do you understand the concept of materiality? Whether Biden’s watch first appeared a year ago or on inauguration day, the prices of his particular Rolex model have gone up 10-20% since inauguration whereas prices for the same model with different dials are more or less unchanged.
Yes. But I wasn’t having that argument. I was pointing out a very specific moment of you using a false memory as “evidence” for your opinion. That’s all.
 

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@TheFoo

I will start replying to you again once you address my points instead of twisting them out of shape. If you won'd admit or can't see that you've done that repeatedly you're not worth talking to.
 

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@TheFoo

I will start replying to you again once you address my points instead of twisting them out of shape. If you won'd admit or can't see that you've done that repeatedly you're not worth talking to.
Ha okay. It’s all right there. Don’t pretend I’m the one moving goal posts, particularly after you made it personal and brought in bullshit claims based on class and profession.
 

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Exactly (though, I'd say it encompasses world views beyond the puritanical...). In my own neck of the woods (Arts), the pressure to maintain various stereotypical tropes (the disheveled, impoverished eccentric, etc...) _can be_ as contrived and snobbish as ostentatious material possessions. This mind set is actually something that drove me toward an affection for some of these things - it became a sort of critique of that pretense (at least in my own mind). I lived in Williamsburg from 1998-2004 and was deeply inside the Brooklyn band/art scene that emerged during that specific time. The [hidden] wealth on hand relative to the personal mythologies trafficked via image/mimesis was comical...

On the other hand, their are of course many participants in the art/design scene that are oblivious to these things for less cynical reasons, which I'm guessing was more to your point...just thought I'd add some color...
Not to go all @am55, but this reminds me of one of my favorite songs - Singer Songwriter by Okkervil River.

Here's a snippet:
You come from wealth
Yeah, you've got wealth
What a bitch they didn't give you much else

I heard cuts by The Kinks on your speakers
I saw Poe and Artau on your shelves
While The Last Laugh's first scene on your flat panel screen
Lit Chanel that you've wrapped around yourself

You've got outsider art by an artist
Who arguably kidnapped a kid on the wall
While your designers have slyly directed the eye
Down clean lines in your well-lit hall

You've got taste
You've got taste
What a waste that that's all that you have
 

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Sure, buddy.
I don't see what the big deal is if a company is just trying to make a shit ton of money. No need to act like these companies exist for some higher purpose other than making the owners rich as fuck. Even Rolex and their great charitable trust ownership doesn't mean that trust owners aren't trying to make a shit ton of money.
 

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"AP says it drew inspiration from the classic Mickey Mouse watch design – where his arms represent the hour and minute and hands and move with the time. "

the hands are coming from that character's no no zone.

it's a helicopter dick watch.
Yeah, I definitely don’t enjoy that the hands are squirting out of his groin as he squats over a giant rotating ball.
 

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