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Look at new/unworn prices on Chrono24. Silver dial Datejust with batons and plain bezel has been flat over the past 2-3 months. Same version with blue dial is up ~10%.
I think everyone agrees that the blue dial has been popular, and has become more popular. Biden as the catalyst for the rise in price seems flimsy at best according to your own thread-to-press accounts.

Honestly, can you accept that it is possible Biden has very little to do with any increase?

Do you attribute similarly direct correlations/causations to other watches that have significantly risen in price over the past 2-3 months
the blue dial was talked about on /r/WallStreetBets a few weeks ago
I’m guessing the Wall Street Bets crew love Biden...haha
 

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I think everyone agrees that the blue dial has been popular, and has become more popular. Biden as the catalyst for the rise in price seems flimsy at best according to your own thread-to-press accounts.

Honestly, can you accept that it is possible Biden has very little to do with any increase?

Do you attribute similarly direct correlations/causations to other watches that have significantly risen in price/demand over the past 2-3 months?
I gave you data points indicating otherwise. Blue dial Datejusts have gone up more in price than others since inauguration. This correlates with the hype on social media since that time.

Of course, like I said before, I cannot prove cause and effect. I can only make observations and educated guesses. The real question is why you are so tenacious about arguing with me when you have zero information or reasoning to refute my claims.

This is like when everyone said my Daytona couldn’t possibly exist because my purported experience doesn’t align with the myth-based beliefs of those who haven’t yet figured out how to get one for themselves.

Ridiculous.
 

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I gave you data points indicating otherwise. Blue dial Datejusts have gone up more in price than others since inauguration. This correlates with the hype on social media since that time.

Of course, like I said before, I cannot prove cause and effect. I can only make observations and educated guesses. The real question is why you are so tenacious about arguing with me when you have zero information or reasoning to refute my claims.

This is like when everyone said my Daytona couldn’t exist because my experience doesn’t align with the mythological beliefs of those who haven’t yet figured out how to get one for themselves.

Ridiculous.
I think, as a first-person account, people had suspicions about your Daytona because you posted a box. You were mad(?) that people didn’t accept you at your word, but maybe that’s because you sometimes make shit up and then gaslight when confronted (see: Biden wore a Rolex in debates, campaign, etc...). Live by the sword...

Daytona looks great!
 

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I don’t personally think Joe Biden has any noteworthy taste, but tell that to all the people in this thread suddenly clamoring for blue dial Datejusts as if they suddenly found Jesus.

Whether you like him or not, John Mayer is one of the most influential streetwear figures in pop culture and one of the most influential watch collectors, period. What planet have you been on?
This just reads like more evidence that Rolex "innovation" is no longer being driven by anything resembling core tool watch functionality. Say what you want about Richard Mille (I don't really get the appeal), but I do give him credit for building absurdly capable functional movements that pair well with the sports influencers he works with. Rolex watches are perhaps marginally more functional than they were 50 years ago but a lot more shiny and jewel-like. It's pretty obvious where the brand is focused.


He is an excellent vocalist and writer as well as one of the greatest living guitarists—certainly the greatest of his generation.
This is wrong for so many reasons. This seems like a hot take from someone who read a magazine article about the topic. First - there is no objective "greatest" possible here. I accept that JM is a talented guitar player but I don't enjoy listening to his music and I'm not alone. Calling him "certainly the greatest" is no different from when you called the Explorer the Rolexiest Rolex (and said the same for the ND Sub). I don't even think it's possible to define JM's generation of guitar players in any meaningful way. Are we limiting to people +-5 years of JM's age? Are we limiting it to shitty pop musicians? Blues performers? The fact that Eric Clapton says nice things isn't that meaningful if JM just happens to play the way EC likes the guitar to be played. Has EC heard every top flamenco guitarist in the world? Are we supposed to take into account songwriting or just musicianship? What about influence?

Obviously, the discussion of top guitar players is outside the scope of the watch thread, but I didn't want to let this ridiculous statement slide because the thinking behind it is consistent with this attempt to make absolute objective statements about things that are inherently subjective (eg Rolexiest Rolex). Also @Piobaire for luls as to what he thinks of calling John Mayer "certainly the greatest" of his generation and one of the greatest living guitarists.
 
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I think, as a first-person account, people had suspicions about your Daytona because you posted a box. You were mad(?) that people didn’t accept, but that’s because you sometimes make shit up and then gaslight when confronted (see: Biden wore a Rolex in debates, campaign, etc...). Live by the sword...

Daytona looks great!
I am happy to discuss, debate, disagree, etc. What I won’t do is allow myself to be mischaracterized. I explicitly admitted in a prior post that it looked like you were correct that Biden’s blue Datejust appeared later than I remembered. In fact, I have frequently admitted when I have been wrong about a fact or opinion.

People denied the existence of the Daytona before the box picture. I was accused of unspecified nefarious scheming. In fact, I posted the box picture to prove that even then certain people would continue to disbelieve and argue.
 

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I am happy to discuss, debate, disagree, etc. What I won’t do is allow myself to be mischaracterized. I explicitly admitted in a prior post that it looked like you were correct that Biden’s blue Datejust appeared later than I remembered. In fact, I have frequently admitted when I have been wrong about a fact or opinion.

People denied the existence of the Daytona before the box picture. I was accused of unspecified nefarious scheming. In fact, I posted the box picture to prove that even then certain people would continue to disbelieve and argue.
fair
 

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No, I think you are generally right - Tourneau has no obligation to sell anything to me, nor to anyone else. That isn't the issue at all.

I just thought it was shady that they were dealing with a grey market dealer, who then tried to make a sale in their store, in front of them, while strongly implying that there was some sort of relationship that those employees were engaged in. It may have been nothing, but just highlighting the conduct in light of the lawsuit from Chicago a few weeks ago. Who knows the actual truth (I certainly only have what I saw and heard), but it just seemed extremely shady. Maybe it wasnt.

The problem I had was just how blatant it was in front of my (and Mrs. Ides) face. Again, no one owes me anything - but I figured this forum should know how Tourneau, or at least some of their employees, acted last week. That is all.
you and everybody else that thinks like this needs to understand that this is not downton abbey where you build lifetime relationships with honorable people ( I wish this was the case).

After spending ridiculous amounts of money on luxury items over the last decade, I can tell you that the "used car dealership experience" unfortunately prevails far more often than what I would expect from such an experience. I have bought porsches, watches and luxury clothes etc all over the world and most of the time I leave disappointed. Most sales people that sell luxury goods suck - that's just the truth.
 

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...which was an answer to a comment by another poster claiming that current tastemakers do not wear current Rolexes.
To clarify again: my claim was that current influencers who wear current Rolexes aren't the same kind of people who were tastemakers in the midcentury era. John Mayer or Joe Biden didn't go to the moon or climb Everest, nor are they pilots for a major airline in the golden era of aviation, nor are they fictional M16 agents, etc. Magnum PI is an interesting example of a transitional figure as wearing a GMT in the early 80s still made sense if one had owned the watch for a decade or so, which would be plausible for his character.
 

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Sold out of their initial allotment, I talked to them directly.
Must have happened almost instantly. That's crazy.
The DLC-coated titanium watch on the orange rubber strap is no longer available on the Hermes website. Guess we know which one is the most in demand.
 

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The DLC-coated titanium watch on the orange rubber strap is no longer available on the Hermes website. Guess we know which one is the most in demand.
I was just coming to post the same thing.

The one on black rubber is the same identical watch, right? Just different strap?
 

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I was just coming to post the same thing.
Buy the watch on the black rubber strap and buy the orange rubber strap separately? You'll need something other than orange for less casual use anyways.
 

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