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The Watch Appreciation Thread - Part two (Rolex, Patek Philippe, Audemars Piguet, Jaeger LeCoultre,

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by mimo, Feb 12, 2016.

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  1. bkotsko

    bkotsko Senior member

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    On a brighter note...
    beautiful lines, textures, and reflective surfaces abound.
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  2. Dino944

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    [​IMG] Quite possibly the 1 watch I'd keep if I had to be a 1 watch kind of guy. Love the RO [​IMG]
     
  3. BLAUGRANA

    BLAUGRANA Senior member

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    A few things:

    -In this case you could find it cheaper elsewhere if you actually wait. In fact if you check WatchRecon right now you'll find it notably cheaper as a new listing just went up, though it doesn't even have a single picture of the watch. (No, it's not my watch, just noticed it after reading your post). I actually saw one a few months back for about $9300 if I recall correctly. It was with an established grey dealer and I should have probably jumped on it, though I don't recall the condition. So you will probably see it for less if you continue to wait as listings like the one that just popped up on WatchRecon will probably pop up from time to time. Of course you have to consider a couple of things with that. How long do you want to wait as the longer you wait the less time you have to enjoy it on your wrist. I personally am young enough and patient enough to wait, but that may not be the case for yourself. Also, if the price is less what is the condition of the watch? I recall seeing some notable scratches on the caseback of one I saw listed around your range and it's also plexi instead of crystal, though it came with a spare plexi from what I can tell. Conversely you may also want to take into account that there are a few listings out there that are definitely higher than the range you mentioned and so there may be some risk that it only goes up from here. That said as someone who has looked at listings for a lot of these JLC tribute watches for the past 12 months or so I can tell you that generally from time to time one comes up for sale and it's generally lower than some of the listings out there at that moment. I've seen listings for the SS Geophysic 1958, Tribute to Deep Sea Alarm, Tribute to Polaris and even the Thin Tribute Reverso 1931 with the Casa Fagliano strap at below what I'd previously seen. Of course this a range and I'm not seeing them say every month at that sort of pricing, but if you're patient I would think you should definitely be able to do better than what you're seeing.

    -Some of the sellers you're seeing out there are on multiple sites like say WatchRecon and eBay. I've noticed the same watch listed in multiple spots.

    -I've also noticed that at least two of the sellers who still have the watch available in your price range have had it listed for several months and so they've literally been sitting on it for that time. Of course that doesn't always mean that they are going to be willing to move a lot on their price as they may be in for it for a certain amount that they want/need to get out of it, but you might find one of them is willing to budge a ways.

    -I'd be quite surprised if you can find one at an AD (assuming you meant AD and not a grey dealer) as I think they've likely been sold out for some time. The watch was a limited edition and it was released something like five years ago. If you were able to find one at an AD they might be willing to deal with you some, or they might know that they've got one of the few unworn ones out there and stay firm on price. Still I can't imagine an AD sitting on one, but you never know.

    Anyway, best of luck with your search. I know what it's like. Just note you may have some competition from someone on this forum. [​IMG]
    I don't complete agree, though in defense of that logic it isn't stated that's the case all the time. Anyway, it certainly doesn't apply to everything as not everything on eBay is an auction and in those cases you can make an offer. I did that with my Reverso and at the time it was for what I would say was market value when my offer was accepted. Since then I've seen them for slightly lower, notably higher and substantially higher. The catch is that in no case was the condition of the watch in the condition that mine was in when I bought it.

    I also think there's a time component here as well. You can proxy bid on eBay of course, but not everyone bids what they'd be willing to pay before the auction ends. I know at times I haven't because I thought I could get it for less and then I missed out.

    You also have to consider that some of these items such as a limited edition watch aren't available anymore or anywhere else. You could say that's a "unique" item as you noted, but then that's for the most part what he's looking at in this case with the Polaris.

    One final thing of note is the value to the buyer. The value to the buyer could be considerably more than market value and in such case to them they didn't overpay.

    At the end of the day I wouldn't use eBay much for more modern watches, but I also wouldn't write it off either. And even if one were to pay more on eBay they would get some safeguards that if I'm not mistaken buying via wire from somebody on a forum doesn't provide.
     
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    There's a lightly used VC for sale that I'm very tempted to pull the trigger on. It's more than 40% off of retail price...
     
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    What do we think of the design of this Fabergé? Know the company is going big into the timepiece world.
     
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  7. tricky

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    Agreed. I think that could be the one.
     
  8. Akeem

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    haven't crossed the 10k barrier on a watch yet, but a RO may push me over. very classy
     
  9. jamesryan123

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    Hi,

    I am looking at a JLC Master Ultra Thin with the ref 174.8.90.S on the caseback and I am unable to tell if it is a master ultra thin or a master grande ultra thin.

    I asked for measures and was told 40.5mm with the crown and 38.5mm without but I am not 100% certain,

    Could anyone with any better knowledge than me clarify this for me? Thanks!
     
  10. mimo

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    Like many here I would be biased towards a mechanical watch. Generally I'd be looking at Tissot for a dress watch under a few hundred Euros. I got one for my son and it really feels like a "proper" watch, from a maker with a strong history. If you shop around for offers you might get a nice deal on Raymond Weil in that range - though some friends have had reliability problems - or I'd look also for grey market/clearance on Longines, you'll definitely find sub $1000 and maybe better.

    But as you liked the Nomos so much I'll point you in another direction: look at Junghans' "Max Bill" range. The mechanical models are well within budget and have a similar Bauhaus design ethos. If you could stretch to 1000 Euros, then the Stowa Antea is quality, and that's with VAT, so if you're outside the EU it's under 850.
     
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  11. Novelty77

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    Hey guys! Its been awhilw since i last post. Just wana share my latest horror story! But all is not lost, an awesome job by my buddy polishing off like it nv happened.! The left side is after polishing.

    [​IMG]

    My latest acquisition. Finally know why is called the perfect dress watch. The shape of the case allows full view of the watch under a shirt. Unlike the circular dress watches out there where we always tuck our shirt a little to see the whole watch.

    [​IMG]
     
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    I'm planning a trip to NYC this weekend. In addition to the Crockett & Jones store & the various boutiques I'll be visiting the Tourneau stores & Wempe. Am I forgetting anyplace?
     
  13. usctrojans31

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    There's a grey market store whose name I'm forgetting. Has some solid mid-tier brands at low to very low prices. It's on 57th between 5th and 6th on the south side of the street. And if you're looking higher end, nothing beats the service at Cellini.
     
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    There are also lots of boutiques in NYC such as AP, Breguet, Journe, VC, Rolex, Omega, etc.
     
  15. jamesryan123

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    Sorted out the JLC size issue. Turns out the ref on the back bears no resemblence to the product code for each of their watches, it is actually a movement casing/metal/movement size coding so could see the same ref on different models. Bought it and might even be tempted to post a pic or two.
     
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    Please do!

    I came close to buying the Master Ultra Thin 1907 - a lovely watch (went for a pre-owned Lange Saxonia Thin in the end).
     
  17. BLAUGRANA

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    I really like the look of the 1907 in rose gold. I'd have to see it on the wrist for size though. 37mm would probably be a better size, but a great looking watch either way.
     
  18. BostonHedonist

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    Speaking of JLC, I think I'm back onto considering buying the MUT Moon I've been looking at for some time.

    I was wondering though, does anyone have experience with negotiating FURTHER discounts at a Heathrow Duty-Free Watches of Switzerland?

    I imagine you'd stand no chance with asking for a discount on a Rolex there. But JLC isn't exactly the most popular make these days...
     
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  19. jamesryan123

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    MUT Moon should get a discount, but if it is in the duty free already they may be less willing. The Ultra Thin 38.5mm I have just bought was 1 year old but WoS gave the buyer a £400 discount last June off the £5,600. I just picked it up from a pawnbrokers for just over half the list. Would have been rude not to. Sure a near 10% may be possible.

    The 1907's are lovely. The white gold is a gorgeous watch. Bit out of my price range at the moment given I am in my 20's. Must work harder!
     
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    Kenjo? Looked it up online. Is it legit?
     

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