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The Watch Appreciation Thread - Part two (Rolex, Patek Philippe, Audemars Piguet, Jaeger LeCoultre,

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by mimo, Feb 12, 2016.

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  1. Keith T

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  2. mimo

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    Lunch yesterday. Reminded me of @no frills.

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    By the way, @pmeis, I went to try on the Sixties and Seventies after all the talk. And yes it's big, and bling as hell with the polished bezel and centre links. But that Senator Seventies on the bracelet just sings with charisma. I love it; now firmly on the wish list.
     
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  3. no frills

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    Shake Shack FTW @mimo !!!
     
  4. globalroamer

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    Anyone can recommend a watch for up to 600euros ?
     
  5. mimo

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    Absolutely. What sort of thing do you like? Sporty or dressy? New or used?
     
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    A couple days ago on a tea break at work:

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    Thoughts on the new air king....saw one the other day and i really thought it looked great.
     
  9. chanoch

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    OK, have done another round or two indulging myself with various watches, keeping in mind our discussion and my own varied responses. Here's what I've seen, not seen, and worn:

    First, a few that I saw and didn't bother with, as I could see they didn't move me: the JLC MUT line in stainless struck me as cold and uninspiring. Probably just me, but the gold versions have so much more warmth, as the dial is a lovely cream-silver; the stainless versions are much flatter, and I didn't respond well to them. I tried on the dark MUT moonphase, but as usual couldn't see the hands clearly. I also looked at a bunch of GO watches, but didn't bother with the 60s that looked so promising in pictures, as the curved dial and glass created distortions in the numbers and indices that felt uncomfortable to the eye -- and probably would have given me headaches. I also looked at the Frederique Constant watches and they didn't feel right: a bit too big for a simple watch (I looked at the slimline manufacture, sans complications) and not quite coherent (for example, the slimline seems to have a slightly curved dial, which didn't work for me and seemed a retro element in a classic, even contemporary design).

    Here's the crop of pics from shopping yesterday and today:

    GO: I really liked the way the Pano felt on my wrist: substantial, not overweight (though perhaps close), well-sized and proportioned. On the down side, the silver dial seemed very cold to me, like the JLC. My Nomos Metro's face is warmer, which has spoiled me a bit, I know. I also looked at two darker models (one manual, one automatic, in blue and grey, respectively), and while I love the colors and could make out the hands ok thanks to the lume, I could hardly see the seconds hand or complication details. So, pretty as they are -- I especially liked the dark grey face of the PanoLunar -- they're a no go. No sense buying a watch with features I can hardly see! I also tried on the Senator, with date and lunar functions, and really like the feel of it, as well as the white dial.

    Here are the GO pics (white and grey Pano, Senator):

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    Next up, my old friend Nomos, which many of you encouraged me to consider. I tried out the Orion 35, Zurich WT, and Tangomat GMT. The Orion is for me the clear winner among these, as it is comfortable, elegant, and well, very Nomos. The Zurich is also very comfortable, and I wouldn't be surprised if on a second round it beat out the Orion; the lugs are really long, and it just fits. A very close second. The Tango, as you'll see in the pictures, has really clumsy lugs that ran right to the edge of my wrist due to their height above the base of the watch, which made it less comfortable, even a bit awkward.

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    Lastly, I tried on the white version of that IWC Portofino, which after trying on the other watches and the JLCs (very comfortable, even if the dials on the stainless left me cold), is very definitely out of the running. I feel like writing to IWC and asking them what they were thinking. I mean, really a watch with a 192 hour power reserve? As someone who enjoys my daily winding of my Metro, why would anyone even want a watch with a power reserve so long that one is almost deprived of the pleasure? I can see a 40-100 hour reserve (more on that in a moment), but 8 days? And 45mm for a dress watch? Like you guys said, the design doesn't hold up, and after these discussions and two days of trying on other things that do make sense and do hold up, this one's out.

    I think my favorite in terms of wearability, readability, and overall quality would be the GO Senator. The Orion comes in a distant second for me, as I already own one Nomos watch, and the movement on the Orion seems a step down from my Metro, and I am looking for something better for this memorial watch for my father.

    Given my positive response to the Senator -- which quite frankly surprised me, as I hadn't been much taken with Roman numerals before, preferring indices -- I think I will wait a bit until the new GO Senator Excellence hits the streets. I really like the simplified design, and the new movement sounds really intriguing -- that 100 hour power reserve seems a positive achievement, in that I can put it aside from Friday afternoon until Monday morning and not run into the low power mode that would cause it to lose a lot of time. Not sure what the board thinks of this new GO, as there can't be many who have tried it on, but I would of course as always be interested in your views.

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    For now, and until the Senator Excellence arrives in NY (expected in two months), I am going to keep trying these now and then, taking the advice of one of you to make multiple stops. My moods definitely shift, and trying the watches on a few times is easy enough, and should help me make my final choice.

    Many thanks to all for your guidance and good thoughts -- and in advance, for any further suggestions that would be worth pursuing as I wear out my soles and heels in NY's oppressive heat and thoroughly annoy the good people at Tourneau and Wempe.
     
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    Definitely dressy. I buy only new things but in this case I am not sure. I am / was not into watches so I do not know what to pick :) and based on...what criteria.

    I like Nomos...no contest here. But the price is too steep. Somebody recommended stowa earlier but I did not like any of the watch that much to convince myself buying it.
     
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    I hope y'all forgive my beginner question...

    If I see roughly the same price on eBay as on chrono24 as on WatchRecon, should I assume I wouldn't find it cheaper anywhere else?

    I am simply in love with the JLC Memovox "Tribute to Polaris '68." (I desire the tribute watch for price considerations, obviously). I see it for about $13K-$13.5K listed in most places. I've never purchased a watch from any of the sites I've named above. Would I expect to pay that list price or should I find things to be somewhat negotiable, either directly to those sellers or via ADs offline?
     
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    @chanoch - the GO senator is a fine watch. I like that grey PanoLunar but understand your reservations.

    @Handcuffed - I used to love that Polaris a lot. The price tag seem rather high to me, and my OCD would preclude my getting a watch with Plexi as I couldn't bear the scratches even though I know they could be buffed out regularly..
     
  13. Dino944

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    I really like the GO Senator line of watches (actually, the only GOs I don't like are the Panos). The Senator has classic looks that are not trendy, and will stand the test of time. We can all agree that their movements are very high quality and their watches are generally a good value. I haven't seen the new Senator Excellence in person, but it sounds very promising. Of the watches you have tried on, the Senators are my favorites.

    As for Nomos, you already own one, so you sort of have an idea of what you are getting with one, however, it may be nice to have something from a completely different brand, with a different design philosophy and a different feel.

    I really like JLC, but the MUT has never really done much for me. Its a great watch, but I'd much rather have a Reverso.

    Wishing you luck with whatever you decide.
     
  14. mimo

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    The Senator auto is very appealing. I feel a tyre-kicking session coming. Pretty much on the $5k too, grey market.

    I love the Senator Perpetual, though again it's the dark dial that gets me. Was my favourite, until I saw that crazy Seventies...
     
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    Thanks for these comments, Dino, much appreciated. Tourneau says September for the Senator Excellence, and GO responded to my email asking about the delivery schedule saying that they've been shipped, but the company rep wasn't sure to which stores or boutiques (GO does not have a boutique in North America, would you believe ...). But for now that Senator line is my favorite of all the watches I've considered, and I can wait a bit to see if I prefer the new Excellence and if it seems worth the extra $$$ for a fair-trade price, as discounts won't be available until more watches are in circulation. As I discovered when I bought my Metro in its relatively early days, grey market discounts (assuming that I can find a reliable dealer) don't happen immediately.
     
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    Yes, those dark dials are lovely. Wish I could see the seconds hands better ... And, yes, a tire-kicking session is in the offing as soon as the Senator Excellence arrives. Will stop by Tourneau this week to ask my favorite sales rep there to hold one for me so that I can kick it, as you say.

    BTW: While I was at Tourneau's yesterday trying on this and that, I saw the Cartier Rotonde. Absolutely stunning piece of work. The sales rep put it through its paces for me and it's just a marvel of beauty and ingenuity.

    http://www.tourneau.com/watches/pre-owned-cartier/18k-white-gold-rotonde-de-cartier-day-and-night-manual-limited-edition-wi550151-VCA14122.html

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    Not sure about that one personally, though it's certainly got personality.

    Regarding discounts, the flip side is that deals on the current Senator are going to get even better when the new one arrives.
     
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    The Cartier Rotonde Day/Night is an amazing piece from their discontinued (or as they like to say "Retired") Privee Collection. One of my friends has this Rotonde Day/night in pink gold and its as much artwork as it is a horological masterpiece. It's definitely an interested way to tell time. Production on these was very limited. They have done I believe 2 variations of the day/night watch since this original model (at least one of the newer versions incorporating a GMT function), however this model is IMHO the most elegant of the bunch. I actually prefer many of their older Privee pieces to their current "Fine Watch Making Collection." Thanks for sharing a very cool Cartier Cheers!
     
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    Ebay is a good place to get unique or used items, but otherwise people tend to overpay on Ebay.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winner's_curse

    Basically, by winning an auction you are paying more than every other person interested in the item was willing to pay - which usually means you overpaid.

    But if you're looking for a used item, it's a good place to get a deal.
     
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    Yeah I don't buy that argument at all.
    It means that they spent what the minimum was to buy it.
     

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