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The umbrella, cane, riding crop and miscellaneous accessories porn thread

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by DocHolliday, Jun 27, 2008.

  1. Trompe le Monde

    Trompe le Monde Senior member

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    what do you guys think about 8-rib vs 10-rib?

    i prefer the aesthetics of symmetry and large panel size of the 8.... i dont know if theres any real tangible benefits to the 10
     
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  2. Lucy J

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    I've heard people talk about the 10-rib being more wind resistant but I'm not sure, from personal experience, that that is always true. I collect umbrellas just like I collect shoes, and because I'm very tall I tend to go for the men's full length style.

    Among my "high-end" umbrellas I have two solid (cherry and hickory) shaft Briggs and a solid maple shaft Fox (all with 8 ribs) and I have two Brigg golf umbrellas ( both with curved wood handle, thick metal shaft, and 8 double ribs). In addition I have a Longchamp solid shaft umbrella (10 ribs) and a James Smith metal shaft (Swiss frame) umbrella which is also 10-rib.

    I live on the coast in Brighton and so we get a lot of wild weather. In winter 2013/14 we had about 30 days with wind of 50mph or worse and over the course of the winter I lost my cherry shaft Brigg, the Longchamp and the James Smith to the storms - fortunately they were all able to be repaired but in weather like that I think any umbrella is at risk of serious damage. Since then the Longchamp and James Smith have been fine but the cherry Brigg has had to be repaired again after being blown in on itself in a summer squall this year.

    I think it's mainly an aesthetic thing. I would happily buy another Brigg or another Longchamp if I liked the wood or the canopy colour. I do think though that the golf brollies with their double ribs are less likely to be blown in or out, plus you get a bit more warning that it's time to put the umbrella down, so a golf umbrella will be my shelter of choice on the wilder days this winter unless I'm in an outfit that requires the black canopy of my cherry Brigg or my James Smith. Having said that, I sometimes find that I even have to close the Brigg golfer if it starts getting really wild.

    Hope this helps

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  3. Trompe le Monde

    Trompe le Monde Senior member

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    checked them out in the store and decided i just didnt fancy the aesthetics of the small panels. went for an 8-ribber

    really liked the idea of going with this austrian piece, with traditional "loden" woolen canopy. but dislike the thick appearance when folded up. and also the smooth narrow handle

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    in the end got a tartan pattern over lemon wood solid stick , which has a nice texture and great grip to it

    this place allows MTO which is nice. mix and match your sticks, ribbing, canopy, and even monogram

    https://doppler-manufaktur.com
     
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  4. ThinkDerm

    ThinkDerm Senior member

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    very nice. do they ship to the US?
     
  5. Trompe le Monde

    Trompe le Monde Senior member

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    directly from the manufacturer? no, shipping only to austria and germany

    however a different vendor has a small selection of solid-stick Doppler (also called Manufaktur) , along with Oertel (German) and the usual Fox and Brigg

    http://www.european-umbrellas.com/rates.html

    good opportunity to buy now with the weak EUR
     
  6. Colrais

    Colrais Well-Known Member

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    Loden as canopy... that's very interesting. Has anyone here tried its performance? Do you usually look at canopy materials as well, or stick to nylon?
     
  7. Andy57

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    Since this thread popped back to the top, I might as well add this picture I took while I was buying an umbrella the other day in James Smith's on New Oxford Street. Nothing fancy, just a solid maple handle & shaft and a polyester canopy. Handing me the umbrella is Arnold, who has worked at James Smith's for over 30 years. I'm sure he pegged me right away as just another StyFoDude dilettante. I chose a solid shaft model over a more exotic Malacca- or Whangee-handled because the solid shaft model can bear more weight when I use it to lean on.

    The first time it rained while I was carrying my new umbrella, my wife was incredulous when I declined to deploy it. "It would get wet", I said, perfectly reasonably. She looked at me as if to say "you spent how much for an umbrella you're not even going to use?" Women!

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  8. Lucy J

    Lucy J Senior member

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    As regards Loden canopy, won't it get very heavy when wet? Looks like a beautiful brolly though - would be good to see pictures of it open then we can get the real effect and also see the shaft. All my umbrellas are nylon except for a couple of clear PVC dome umbrellas and my two Longchamp walking umbrellas which have a cotton canopy. They aren't particularly heavier than the nylon covers but do take a lot longer to dry out if they get really soaked.
     
  9. Trompe le Monde

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    i imagine so, with the fibers trapping some water. i see it along the veins of waxed cotton fabric - good 'country' appeal, but functionality wise not as good as dedicated synthetic materials.
     
  10. Baudouin

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    Hi!
    Happily found a thread mentioning two issues I had on my mind (it did not seem to be a good idea to create a new thread as the very first thing after joining the forum).

    Doppler loden:
    I acquired one of those this spring, and it is not getting overly heavy when wet. However, the material is bulkier, heavier, softer and more yielding than modern synthetic covers (I've never had silk), and also quite peculiar to touch (it's wool, and it's substantial). The solid stick is constant diameter, I'd say >=2 cm, so on a sturdy side, but it does not feel heavy. The runner is a bit loose, and the umbrella is bulky when furled.
    All this adds to a very casual, rustic look. It woud look out of place with a suit or a trench coat, and begs to be combined with other rustic items in warm colours, - tweeds, lovat covert coat, brown boots, Norwegian shoes or double soled brogues, etc. ouldn't really work with jeans.
    I spotted another variety of this umbrella recently, - with horn handle (http://doppler-manufaktur.com/die-kollektion/tradition-und-tracht/360/hirschhorn-loden). While I enjoy my chestnut crook, I am quite tempted to get that horn, too.

    Eight vs 10 ribs/ panels.
    8 panels definitely contribute to a more chiselled look, esp. if properly made.
    I recently ordered a couple of new 8 panel umbrellas from Oertel in Bremen (http://www.regenschirme.de).
    I cannot compare to Brigg, Fox or James Smith, as I do not own any of these, all I know is that mine are made for Mr Gramke by Francesco Maglia, and so far I've been quite impressed. First I got a travel umbrella (Malacca on 16 mm beech wood stick, you can unscrew the tip and the handle), then a whangee stick (on sturdy 20 mm beech wood with smooth join, no 'step'), and the latter is my favourite. To mention the downsides, there is limited colour choice (=black or unacceptable) and not handmade springs on 'standard' size models (I'm ~5'10 1/2", so I did not go for oversized).
    Going back to cover shape, 10 panel umbrellas have an appeal of their own, - think coat vs. cape, set-in sleeve vs. raglan. And while I do prefer 8 panel look most of the time, I decided to get also one umbrella with 10 panels, a 10 rib solid maple (again, from Mr Gramke in Bremen). Arguably 20mm shaft is a bit on the thick side, but I like them standard sized and sturdy, and 20mm worked fine for the whangee (when furled, Doppler loden ir much thicker, and my battered 8 and 10 rib Knirps tubes are not much thinner (although that seems to be due to their automatic mechanisms)).
    The maple stick is just ordered, once it's in, I will take some pictures.
     
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  11. RedRoadster

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    what do you think about this Pasotti.

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  12. Nikola

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    I think it would team well with this style ..

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  13. Stever174

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    Brigg golf umbrella blown to pieces in the City of London today during Storm Imogen. On train home now and it was almost impossible to stand outside London Bridge station. I saw several women be blown over......... Must have been gusting to 70mph or so
     
  14. Lucy J

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    Same problem for me Steve.... Was trying to hold my Longchamp 10 rib umbrella against the winds of Imogen in Brighton. Rain lashing down too so I foolishly risked the brolly when it would have been wiser to accept a drenching. Was holding the umbrella tightly in both hands, and keeping it in front of me like a shield as the wild gusts were trying to rip it out of control. Had to really lean forward as well to stay on my feet but the gusts were so violent that it was three steps forward and one step back to stay upright. Eventually the wind increased to such a point that I was blown to a standstill, andthe whole frame of the umbrella was blown in on itself with three of the ribs bending and snapping so the brolly was blown in rather than blown out.

    Hoping to get it repaired next time I'm up in London. Longchamp have said that they should be able to fix it all being well. Will you be able to get your Brigg fixed or was it too badly damaged??
     
  15. Veremund

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    We've had a bit of weather over here too this week. I was glad to see my Maglia withstand the storm winds.
     
  16. Stever174

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    How bad was it with you? You will see from the last two posts that we have been having umbrella-breaking winds here in the UK. Certainly in London on Monday it was gusting to almost 70 mph. Several people in our office had umbrella damage in Monday's storm.....
     
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    Sorry to hear that Lucy but glad it can be repaired. My Brigg is beyond repair as the frame was smashed and the broken ribs punctured the cover. According to the Brigg shop a new frame and new cover will cost more than a new brolly so I will try to get in there next week and select a new umbrella. Maybe a curved handle golfer this time but I do want to stay with the 30inch frame if possible.

    The worst of the rain hit us at lunchtime so lots of people were struggling - the tall buildings in the City funnel the wind even when it's only breezy so there were several places where it was really bad.
     
  18. Lucy J

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    Luckily the frame of my Longchamp didn't snap when it was blown in on itself but five of the 10 ribs buckled as the frame just couldn't take the violent pounding it was getting from the gusts and sustained high winds. I'm going to take it back to the shop in London sometime next week.

    Let me know if you get a new Brigg. I've got two solid shafts and two 27 inch golfers -haven't tried a 30 inch yet but maybe will next time.

    I heard about the London storm from a couple of girlfriends who work up in the City. One of them lost her Fox umbrella to the wind near the Walkie talkie building in Fenchurch Street, and the other didn't even risk her umbrella. As she was was about to go out of the office in Southwark she saw what the wind was doing to brollies, and another girl just coming in to the office said "Don't - just don't open your umbrella because it will almost certainly be destroyed....." So she left her big Lulu Guinness umbrella at the reception desk and braved the storm without a brolly. She said to me that she was glad she had left her brolly behind because the wind would just have ripped it apart.
     
  19. Stever174

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    So I managed to purchase a couple of umbrellas last week in London and got what I believe were a couple of good deals. The chain TM Lewin do a small range of Fox umbrellas and I got a 30 inch straight handled golfer for just under £50 (so approx 70-75 dollars) and then I saw that Henry Poole on Savile Row were selling off some Briggs -they are changing from Brigg to Fox - and so I picked up a solid shaft bark chestnut Brigg for £126 ( approx 180-190 dollars). Given that a new Brigg golfer would cost approx £130 I was quite pleased with my purchases.

    Rain and some wind forecast for tomorrow so doubtless one of them will get her first outing. (I've decided that umbrellas are female because although they look after you the majority of the time, there are sometimes occasions when they get very difficult to manage....)

    Hope you've made progress on your Longchamp repair Lucy. My PA Charlotte almost lost her Fox in StormImogen..... She has a red canopy solid oak 27 inch Fox (so men's size) but had to close it as she was being blown around the pavement outside the Lloyds building...
     
  20. Lucy J

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    Off up to London tomorrow for a couple of meetings, so will aim to drop my Longchamp off for repairs - they did a great job when it last was damaged in Feb 2014 so I'm hoping it will be OK again.Its a lovely brolly with 10 ribs and a cotton rather than nylon canopy but even the 10 ribs couldn't hold against the awful pounding it was taking from Imogen in Brighton..

    If I get a chance I may drop into Henry Poole on Savile Row. It's just round the corner from Longchamp on Regent Street, and I believe there's also a TM Lewin in Bond Street....

    Does anyone know if you can get Maglia in London at all
     

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