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The Ultimate Vass (Footwear) Thread (Pictures, reviews, sizing, etc...)

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by luk-cha, Jul 24, 2009.

  1. agoodeye

    agoodeye Active Member

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    NYDRH......I hear what you are saying, but if you read my original post, I have not only complained but also complimented both Vass and Karl (the owner of Ascot Shoes). My frustration is not just the complete waste of time and energy that I put into this, but that "completely hand made" does imply a level of quality that would include finishing. In anything.
    And I deal in very high end antiques and art. Yes hand made and unique can and does leave room for things not being perfect, but in my experience, this was way beyond that. And as I mentioned in another reply, I have two pairs of RTW that I really like and Ascot knows that. But they are simple and therefore less that could go wrong in the process.

    RogerP your comment doesn't deserve and won't get a response from me
     
  2. Mr. Six

    Mr. Six Senior member

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    ^^ Yes, since I buy directly from Vass, I sometimes forget what others are paying. The price is higher through retailers, but still not at G&G/EG levels. So I think my observation about tradeoffs still holds. It does sting not to get what you hoped you paid for, though. If you like what you have, I suggest enjoying them and looking for another brand that can provide the things that you value most.

    I'm also glad that Namor mentioned "Vass charm," since genuinely, I just kind of chuckle to myself when I see crooked clicking.
     
  3. RogerP

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    I'm crushed.
     
  4. peppercorn78

    peppercorn78 Senior member

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    I'm not sure what you hope will happen as a result of reposting your entire other thread here. You garnered several responses, some sympathetic, some not. Now you found a year old article that's mostly positive and says practically the same thing that others here have told you.

    So now that THIS thread has become the grounds for your rehashing of grievances, I have to ask: what is the endgame here?
     
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  5. bdavro23

    bdavro23 Senior member

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    We all know what your frustration is because you started your own thread to complain. Then, when some people said "hey, thats a shame", and some people said "You're a trolling douche, HTFU and go away"**, there really wasnt much left to say...

    You can imagine our surprise of course, when you come to this thread to re-state exactly what happened in the thread you started.

    Tell me what you want us to say so you will lose interest in this and go away and I promise I will say it. Please, I beg you: Have mercy on the entire SF community...


    ** (Full disclosure: it may have been me who said this or something like it)
     
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  6. Fred G. Unn

    Fred G. Unn Senior member

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    @agoodeye, why are you buying Vass anyway? I'm being serious here, not merely rhetorical. By choosing to buy Vass you are purchasing a handmade and hand welted shoe. The handmade nature of the clicking, gimping, brogueing, stitching, etc. is probably not going to be exactly perfect, especially at this price point. Aside from the excellent fit I get from their lasts, one of the main selling points of Vass for me is the handwelted construction which takes time and skill to do. If you are purchasing Vass I would assume this is important to you as well, and you realize there will likely be trade-offs against brands featuring machine stitched shoes in the same price range. Complaining over and over again about these trade-offs is not accomplishing anything. It's like purchasing a Porsche 911 and then complaining about the cabin noise level. No, your 911 isn't going to be as quiet as a Lexus 600h, but that's not why you buy a 911. Maybe I've just had good luck as I have no complaints about the finishing on any of my Vass, but restating everything again in this thread is just a waste of everyone's time. We saw your other thread. If finishing is a huge priority to you over method of construction, there are many Goodyear and Blake stitched brands that specialize in finishing. Move on and order from one of them.
     
  7. agoodeye

    agoodeye Active Member

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    bdavro23.

    You and RogerP ought to get together "dude". You can't say anything. And people like you who post like this from behind the safety of a keyboard are people who don't have the courage to say this stuff face to face. I've said everything I've posted here to Karl Chu who's the owner of Ascot. I've said it to Reszo who's the manager of Vass. AND if you read that review, you'll see I'm not the only one who thinks this. What's pathetic here is that no one moderates this enough to stop morons like you from trying to instigate an argument. Thankfully thee have been a couple of people who've made some appreciated and intelligent posts.
     
  8. RogerP

    RogerP Senior member

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    Nope. That's not what's pathetic here.
     
  9. bdavro23

    bdavro23 Senior member

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    ^Agreed

    Also, Roger P seems like exactly the type of person I would like to get together with, thanks for pointing that out.

    Roger, we really should try and make time for this. Maybe dinner with the wives sometime?
     
  10. agoodeye

    agoodeye Active Member

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    RogerP......kudos to you for admitting your bad behavior.....now that's growth.
     
  11. RogerP

    RogerP Senior member

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    Cheers. But if we run into agoodeye carrying a pair of Vass in one hand and a magnifying glass in the other, screaming at everyone about the horrid defects, I suggest we spare the ladies and discreetly cross the street.
     
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  12. bdavro23

    bdavro23 Senior member

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  13. SimonC

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    I can handle Vass' finishing imperfections - part of the charm, and wholly acceptable for the price. Give me sizing imperfections, when they are supposedly built on the same last, and I come over all @agoodeye
     
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  14. RogerP

    RogerP Senior member

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    That's certainly a more significant issue. While I haven't encountered any wonky sizing over a great many purchases, I do sympathize with those who have.
     
  15. peppercorn78

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    ...and yet the supposed "bad behavior" is all you've responded to. Again, I ask: Why come here now? Are you simply looking for an argument? We call that behavior "trolling."
     
  16. agoodeye

    agoodeye Active Member

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    Wrong Peppercorn78. I've responded to several people who've posted thoughtful and intelligent posts. Go back and read.
     
  17. bdavro23

    bdavro23 Senior member

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    When I first read this, I was very confused. Then I realized I had a dyslexic moment, and it made much more sense.

    Then I laughed :)
     
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  18. peppercorn78

    peppercorn78 Senior member

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    OK, so you ARE trolling at this point. That makes sense because you have literally added NOTHING to the SF community other than to belly ache and fight. Your post history confirms this.

    gotcha. aaaaaaannnnd....blocked.
     
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  19. agoodeye

    agoodeye Active Member

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    Are you just ignorant or stubborn. Read my response to MrSix and to several other posts..........
     
  20. Fred G. Unn

    Fred G. Unn Senior member

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    Vass thread has too much negativity, not enough Vass ...

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