^^^ I don't consider it "crapping" on Vass shoes - I asked for the experiences of others and you have given yours. Our experiences quite naturally inform our opinions and perceptions. If your experience was the same as mine, your perception might be closer to mine. My Vass shoes don't have obvious defects, so when I look at a pair of EG and a pair of Vass - both defect-free - I don't see a difference in quality of finishing or perceive a difference in the quality of the leather. Whether one views the difference in price as substantial or not is perhaps a red herring, as the difference can actually be quantified.