Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by luk-cha, Jul 24, 2009.
Wearing these with my Tux to a Swiss swinger evening this weekend.
sstomcat - love the plain toe!
Ilovelobbs - those boots are fabulous!
IMO u should go with the style you think you'll wear over the longest time. I like the thought that Vass are hand welted but that's not so important to me when I'm deciding what goes with what in the morning. The look and fit matter most. Doesn't matter that a shoe is well-constructed if u don't like the look of it. AS handgrade are better finished,sure. They concentrate more than a hundred yrs of artisanal skill and know-how into the hand-grade line and the materials are 1st class- although skin selection can't always be consistent (there can be quite a bit of variation even within lines) the handgrade leather is as finely grained as any. I understand they pass on a lot of half-crust hides to pick the best for the HGs. The Exclusives tho aren't as good but the Moore is one of the nicest in the line- classic Adelaide cap-toe, not fashion-forward, not something you're going to regret later . And although that line is still well made I disagree that the finishing is superior to Vass. AS H-G, definitely, but Exclusive, no. Vass upper sewing is occasionally sloppy and flawed but the skins and finishes themselves are fine without being stellar, and they patina beautifully. Have u considered the Vass Italian-Oxford in F over the Moore? It looks at least as good with superior construction. Just need to get the fit rite. and Btw u shouldn't have mentioned 'gemming:'
Pliny - I think you referring to C&J handgrade, also which brand/line would you rate stellar?
I'm not following u? C&J handgrade finish can be good tho IMO. Of the RTW and MTO brands and styles EG is good for instant results, because they use semi-crust skins and do their own antiquing, which i like. But the Vass patina deveops with time and is hard to beat.
these are bangin' whats a swingers party?
I have both, Peter is flatter in the toe and smaller in general, mine in the same size as P2 is tight/unconfortable, also I prefer the more asymmetric lines of the New Peter, the Peter look too "straight", Vass prefer the Peter for the norweger but I didn't like it.
I personally would upsize 0.5 for the Peter, but my recommendation is that if the New Peter fit fine , just stay with that one and look better too.
Sorry never mind, got confused B/w C&J and AS handgrades.
This is really a mess, I would pay triple for a GG boot
Perhaps Mr Vass don't like to do... but he make him do.
Thank you for a well written and informative response. I think what appeals to me with regards to the Moore is the burnishing, while I love the Vass I have I sometimes think that the solid colours offered could do with an addition of burnished styles. Maybe this can be requested? does anyone know? Anyway, atm I am quite torn between the two but I will give it some thought and we will see.
Awesome shoes and photo,
The monks are amazing. What color is it?
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