The Ultimate Vass (Footwear) Thread (Pictures, reviews, sizing, etc...)

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by luk-cha, Jul 24, 2009.

  1. Saratorial_Splender

    Saratorial_Splender Senior member

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    I had this kind of trim in mind...what do you think? [​IMG] The above edge trim on the shoes below: That is an awsome combination.
     


  2. Louis XIV

    Louis XIV Senior member

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    My Vass just arrived and they look great, perfectly balanced with no imperfections in the finish.
    Unluckily they are not the style I ordered.
    To defend Vass, they show all details I specified aside from the styling of the uppers and the error should solely be based on a misunderstanding between two non native English speakers that Mr. Kuti and I are.
    While I wanted a black boxcalf plain captoe oxford style Chelsea with 5 eyelets and a single leather sole like this,
    http://www.styleforum.net/t/261141/vass-f-last-chelsea-oxfords-size-9-42/0_100
    I received a shoe similiar to OE I without broguing and cap but with a toe box plain like in a wholecut.
    Looks like this one on the F last and with a plain toebox
    [​IMG]
    I can perfectly understand this happing as I first spoke to Mr. Kuti about the OE and later changed to Chelsea and thought it was a regular style of them, so he would understand, most likely I was wrong and "Chelsea" is a name that SF came up with, it does not appear on their page.
    Thus I want to explain to him as well as possible and need your help regarding the correct vocabulary.
    How is this leather "patch" on the heel of a shoe(red) called properly? How to call it if the area in the blue circle is in one piece rather than made with a cap?
    [​IMG]
    Was I wrong, calling a shoe like the mid brown one linked above a plain captoe and should have called it a captoe without broguing?
     
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  3. PiedBeau

    PiedBeau Well-Known Member

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    "No heel counter" and "no cap toe" should work, or did i miss something ?
     


  4. Gdot

    Gdot Senior member

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    Thank you, They are mine. They are Carminas in shell. Still available off the peg at the Carmina web store.
     
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  5. Journeyman

    Journeyman Senior member

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    If I'm understanding things correctly, it's often called a "plain toe" as the toe of the shoe is exactly that - plain and devoid of any decoration at all.

    Do a search for "plain toe balmoral" and you should find some examples.
     


  6. Gdot

    Gdot Senior member

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    better yet - find a photo of exactly what you want - send it - done.

    or - just keep the shoes they sent - they are perfect - even if not what you ordered.
     


  7. Louis XIV

    Louis XIV Senior member

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    Thank you a lot for your help!

    This is good advise.
    Actually I sent this picture to him.
    [​IMG]
    Actually at first I falsely called it Derby, this is how Mr. Kuti's and my conversation looked like afterwards

    [​IMG]

    Actually I only now noticed the attached picture of the lacquered shoe he sent to me and previously only had a look at the link of 133 Melton.
    So it is my fault ordering style Chelsea without mentioning the cap after he sent that picture to me.
    So overall I'd say its 1-1.
    The heel counter was neither wished for/mentioned by myself and added by Vass, and I failed regarding the cap.

    This might be an easy thing to say and do for somebody who already owns a great range of shoes, but actually this pair of Vass would be one of my first pairs of proper dress shoes and the only black and very conservative so, so it's not that easy for myself.
     


  8. Zarium

    Zarium Senior member

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    Are you saying Vass is at fault? I don't get it.
     


  9. Louis XIV

    Louis XIV Senior member

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    I messed up the captoe detail, no discussion about that, but I never asked for a heel counter.
    I just sent an apologetic mail to Mr. Kuti and am curious what he has to say.
     


  10. gsugsu

    gsugsu Senior member

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    This is clearly a communication error on both sides. There are enough photos here and on the Vass site to show either the exact model you want or the design elements you want. It would have been easy to say - when he sent you the photo from the catalogue - yes, that is the shoe I want but with a plain captoe without the broguing. Or whatever modifications you wanted.

    However, Vass still occasionally makes mistakes even when you send pictures and simple specific itemized lists of design elements.

    Confirming and re confirming your order is key here.

    You received a shoe you were not expecting. However - and I am not defending Vass here - the shoe you received is quite nice and I suppose it could have been much worse: wrong size, wrong colour etc.
     


  11. Slickman

    Slickman Senior member

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    At least now we know what vass's patent oxford on the f looks like
     


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    They look great! An absolute keeper.
     


  14. rikod

    rikod Senior member

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    I agree, louis, they are very proper and conservative for any dress situation. Beauties, keep them & enjoy them.
     
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  15. PiedBeau

    PiedBeau Well-Known Member

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    Awesome shine on the full brogue.
    Respect !
     


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