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The Ultimate Vass (Footwear) Thread (Pictures, reviews, sizing, etc...)

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by luk-cha, Jul 24, 2009.

  1. fritzl

    fritzl Senior member

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    +1

    Fritzl and Sterling's condescension towards shoes not made by hand by old Austrian men is obnoxious.


    uuuuh, strong words

    especially, if you are calling out two persons whose enthusiasm is not merely based on theoretical experience.

    show me yours and i show your mine.
     
  2. Fuuma

    Fuuma Senior member

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    uuuuh, strong words especially, if you are calling out two persons whose enthusiasm is not merely based on theoretical experience. show me yours and i show your mine.
    What we're saying is that we're happy about the knowledge you provide regarding those makers but that you tend to dismiss other well designed and more than decently made shoes. You suffer from shoevinism...
     
  3. fritzl

    fritzl Senior member

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    What we're saying is that we're happy about the knowledge you provide regarding those makers but that you tend to dismiss other well designed and more than decently made shoes. You suffer from shoevinism...
    who is we? ...and for the second part please give me one or more examples. thanks btw, is gemming the new black?
     
  4. Fuuma

    Fuuma Senior member

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    who is we? ...and for the second part please give me one or more examples. thanks
    we= I + what I assume the guy who agreed with me meant. I'm not going to go through your posts, you've done this several times, enough in fact for it to be one of your defining characteristics on the board. As I said I don't hate you or anything and the makers you discuss make really nice shoes, I just don't care about what you have to say about say, Corthay. I don't know what gemming means...
     
  5. Imperator

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    uuuuh, strong words especially, if you are calling out two persons whose enthusiasm is not merely based on theoretical experience. show me yours and i show your mine.
    I think you missed the point. Admittedly, you know far more than I know (or that I'd ever care to know) about shoes. I just tire of the constant swipes at shoes unlucky enough to have been made by someone other than "Mr. Kiss." We understand; the world would be a much better place if we all wore hand-made Austrian shoes (which, conveniently, you happen to sell, another fact you're fond of repeating). I actually really like them, and will look into buying a pair when I get a chance, but you come off like a pedantic, repetitive boor.
     
  6. edmorel

    edmorel Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    +1

    Fritzl and Sterling's condescension towards non ugly shoes not made by hand by old Austrian men is obnoxious.


    Small edit.
     
  7. GuidoWongolini

    GuidoWongolini Senior member

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    No more words.. More pics!
    This week: I need more for my rotation.. Damn, Feb can't come around fast enough..
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  8. luk-cha

    luk-cha Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    i think there are certain shoes which the double taper suits very well, and by adding that make the balance og the shoe a lot better, but then again i still think the more sleeker designs should have a single sole.

    on my Vass's i have both, but it is design dependent

    now is vass did a full doulbe sole on both the F and U lasts that would be great, but they dont so for some - not alot of choice!
     
  9. furo

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    So any opinion on the finish of Vass shell vs Alden shell? As in durability and scratching etc...
     
  10. walneal

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    Vash offers a higher variety of Shell colours and MTO patterns with a reasonable premium.
    While you can only get regular Shell models from Alden vendors.
    Both are great shoes and great value for the money.
     
  11. luk-cha

    luk-cha Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Vash offers a higher variety of Shell colours and MTO patterns with a reasonable premium.
    While you can only get regular Shell models from Alden vendors.
    Both are great shoes and great value for the money.


    go on say it, Vash are the best thro'[​IMG]
     
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    maomao1980 Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    go on say it, Vash are the best thro'[​IMG]

    Don't, it can get him into trouble
     
  13. fritzl

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    we= I + what I assume the guy who agreed with me meant. I'm not going to go through your posts, you've done this several times, enough in fact for it to be one of your defining characteristics on the board. As I said I don't hate you or anything and the makers you discuss make really nice shoes, I just don't care about what you have to say about say, Corthay. I don't know what gemming means...
    well put, agreed
     
  14. fritzl

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    I think you missed the point. Admittedly, you know far more than I know (or that I'd ever care to know) about shoes. I just tire of the constant swipes at shoes unlucky enough to have been made by someone other than "Mr. Kiss." We understand; the world would be a much better place if we all wore hand-made Austrian shoes (which, conveniently, you happen to sell, another fact you're fond of repeating). I actually really like them, and will look into buying a pair when I get a chance, but you come off like a pedantic, repetitive boor.

    probably you made some valid points and i'll think over my "shoevinism".

    operation paprika is a very special and emotional project to me. a learning process in progress.

    back to vass, agreed?
     
  15. luk-cha

    luk-cha Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    probably you made some valid points and i'll think over my "shoevinism".

    operation paprika is a very special and emotional project to me. a learning process in progress.

    back to vass, agreed?


    +1 jia you!!!!![​IMG]
     
  16. walneal

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    go on say it, Vash are the best thro'[​IMG]

    Don't, it can get him into trouble

    [​IMG] [​IMG]
    They are all good stuffs, you get what you paid!
     
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    They are all good stuffs, you get what you paid!


    I agree with YGWYP!
     
  18. Sterling Gillette

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    What we're saying is that we're happy about the knowledge you provide regarding those makers but that you tend to dismiss other well designed and more than decently made shoes. You suffer from shoevinism...

    who is we?

    ...and for the second part please give me one or more examples. thanks

    btw, is gemming the new black?


    +1

    Fritzl and Sterling's condescension towards shoes not made by hand by old Austrian men is obnoxious.


    probably you made some valid points and i'll think over my "shoevinism".

    operation paprika is a very special and emotional project to me. a learning process in progress.

    back to vass, agreed?


    Ok, a lot of strong words here. About shoes. This could never hapen in real life.

    I think, fritzl is sometimes misunderstood (deliberately). He does not "hate" all shoes which are made by non-austro-hungarian makers. He is simply trying to point out that any discussion about "value for money" etc. we are leading here is useless without saying that there is almost no place left but Vienna/Budapest where you can buy a shoe that hasn't seen any machine in its whole genesis. Fuuma et al. might think slightly different about fancy sole finish and tapered schnickschnack had they ever seen a passionate one-person shoemaking business in real life. I mean, we can discuss oh-so beautiful EG, G&G and Sutor shoes ad infnitium -- at the end of the day, they are all nothing more but generic. Anyone willing to spend the money can buy them. Of course, he is buying shoes then that are much more precious and solid than 99% of the population but he still has bought a mass market-oriented product.

    And FWIW: So far, fritzl is not really selling shoes, he is proxying undelivered bespoke orders largely without profit. His interest in shoemaking is by no means a commercial one. So I've got to learn in various discussions with him in the last half of a year.

    Now, back to those Vass shoes!
     
  19. Imperator

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    I have no real desire to continue this, but that was, again, a rather condescending and self-important post. Let me paraphrase: "If you simpletons only knew what we true shoe connoisseurs do, you would realize how pathetic your "prestigious" Lobbs appear. Now go forth and be saved from mass-market consumerism."
    Ok, a lot of strong words here. About shoes. This could never hapen in real life. I think, fritzl is sometimes misunderstood (deliberately). He does not "hate" all shoes which are made by non-austro-hungarian makers. He is simply trying to point out that any discussion about "value for money" etc. we are leading here is useless without saying that there is almost no place left but Vienna/Budapest where you can buy a shoe that hasn't seen any machine in its whole genesis. Fuuma et al. might think slightly different about fancy sole finish and tapered schnickschnack had they ever seen a passionate one-person shoemaking business in real life. I mean, we can discuss oh-so beautiful EG, G&G and Sutor shoes ad infnitium -- at the end of the day, they are all nothing more but generic. Anyone willing to spend the money can buy them. Of course, he is buying shoes then that are much more precious and solid than 99% of the population but he still has bought a mass market-oriented product. And FWIW: So far, fritzl is not really selling shoes, he is proxying undelivered bespoke orders largely without profit. His interest in shoemaking is by no means a commercial one. So I've got to learn in various discussions with him in the last half of a year. Now, back to those Vass shoes!
     
  20. gdl203

    gdl203 Senior member Dubiously Honored Affiliate Vendor

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    now is vass did a full doulbe sole on both the F and U lasts that would be great, but they dont so for some - not alot of choice!
    Sorry but what does this mean? I never had Vass decline to use a double sole on my U-lasted shoes. [​IMG]
     

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