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The Ultimate Toronto Thread

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by scatterbrain, Dec 29, 2014.

  1. casadisartoria

    casadisartoria Senior member

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    Not sure about the best, but I've heard plenty of good things about Nick's shoe repair. www.nickscustomboots.com
    @TheHogtownRake recommends them as well.
     
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  2. TRINI

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    I used them for a resoling and they did an excellent job.
     
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    Firefox Senior member

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    If you search back in this thread there are a number of recommendations. Nick's and Novelty are often mentioned.

    Glad to hear. Despite their heavy prices and "ready-to-pounce" sales staff, Rosen does tend to have decent after-sale service. I had an MTM order last year that got messed up and ended up taking several weeks longer than it should have. They gave me a store credit as an apology.
     
  4. boknut

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    Thank you! Will probably go for Nick's shoe repair!
    Just saw that. Nick's seems to be the go-to, thanks for the update!
     
  5. burgerkong

    burgerkong Senior member

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    Warning, a fairly long post! Pardon the crappy pics!

    An update to my budget decent shoe search in TO, got the Brook Brothers by Allen Edmonds Fifth Street and the LodinG Nevisa cap toes in, both hovering around the $400 price tag tax in - BB's were on 30% discount ($510 minus 30% plus tax, although I was advised they raised the price to $550), LodinGs are never discounted, $330 pre tax. Will hopefully add Meermin and Septieme Largeur later the month (picking up the latter from the US).

    Both makes are fairly new to me as I've never had AE's made for BB before, nor have I stepped into LodinG until a scant couple weeks ago. Starting off with the weight, the AE's weigh in at 85 grams more, possibly due to the heavier heel construction and the rubber half-sole.

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    While both are round toes, the AE's are far more blunt and less sleek - this could be good/bad depending on your needs/work environment/age.

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    Leather quality is OK - not great, but OK - on both. This would be where corners are cut, although the plasticky shine the AE's have makes it look cheap. Both exhibit similar levels of break/wrinkles, no real winner here. I suspect they will both crease easily, but that's expected at this price point.

    Finishing is inadequate on AE's by far, seems like the cost of the 'Made in USA' badge is poorer finishing. I have seen this a lot recently in tools and other things where the 'Made in USA' badge no longer automatically refers to quality. The sole edging is rather rough - even after dressing/waxing and edge ironing, comparable brands such as Carmina and Alden have relatively smooth to the point of semi glossy edges. AE's on the other hand look like rough-hide with a layer of paint over top. LodinG on the other hand have a smoother edge, but as I have no idea how the factory produces the shoes, I will need a long term test. Also, no loose threads anywhere and the stitching/welting is very clean on the LodinGs.

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    Welting is up next and right away, I can see that the AE welting is sloppy on the left shoe, to the point that it is close to the edge of the sole. This should have been a second, similarly the half sole also had the same issue. Moreover, the soles have been stitched aloft, whereas LodinGs are open channeled.

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    Without taking fit into consideration (they both fit well, so that's of no concern for me), I cannot see why anyone in the price range would take AE's over LodinG (if LodinG has a similar style). In addition, BB AE's seem to do away with the shoe bags as well - on the other hand LodinG includes individual bags as well as spare laces.

    Final verdict? LodinG is a fantastic value, essentially due to the fact that one can return them locally plus you can try them on before committing. Yes, Septieme Largeur is cheaper, same with Meermin, but for a first time buyer, or one that does not know or is not willing to play the size lottery, I can't see LodinG as being a poor choice.

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    Did I mention the LodinGs have a slight waist? Not a true fiddleback, but it's there and the sole isn't flat - more of a ball.

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    When compared to my Strands, you can see that the cap differs by about 1/2".

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    Regarding cap toe length, they (LodinGs) crease in similar spots to my Strands, which already has a weird creasing due to how the cap toe is sewn on. You can also see what I meant by OK leather quality - the left and right shoe have vamps made from different parts of the hide. The left shoe creases beautifully, whereas the right isn't as nice.

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    A shot of the Fifth Avenues flexing:

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    Also, more evidence of cost cutting (or perhaps they weren't able to channel the rubber half sole, who knows): standard AE Strands have channeled stitching.

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    Brendan
     
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  6. Viral

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    those BB shoes are fucking hideous - could care less who makes them.
     
  7. nqtri

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    @burgerkong in defense of BB shoes, I am quite pleased with my recent cap toe (park avenue) and mine doesn't have a problem with the welting. Quality wise, only time will tell but they feel solid on my feet.
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    On a side note, I notice LodinG has a great price on its Jodhpur boots. Better price than Meermin's MTO if shipping, duties are considered. Might as well be my reason to try out LodinG [​IMG]
     
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    I also recently bought a pair of Lodings (Roma wholecuts). Without going into the same level of detail as BK, I agree with his assessment of them. I've worn them a handful of times now. First time they were a little stiff, but by the third wear they were breaking in well. The slightly elongated last takes a bit of getting used to for walking if you're more accustomed to AE-type styling - the Romas are even longer than my AE Boston monkstraps (old AE 0 last, which is one of their longer ones I think). The first day I wore them I ended up kicking my toes a little bit.

    I think the problem with those BB captoes (stylistically, anyway) is the cap is too small in proportion to the rest of the shoe. It should be further back by about another width of the broguing.

    @burgerkong , where in the US are you getting SL shoes? I'll be interested to read your review of them when you do get some. They were first on my list of wholecuts before Loding, but based on the timing I needed to have a serviceable pair of shoes for, I decided I wasn't willing to take the risk on sizing with shipping from/to France.
     
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  9. casadisartoria

    casadisartoria Senior member

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    Great review @burgerkong
    I am not a fan of the BB's having seen them previously many times, stylistically not on par with lodings - fit aside.
    I have a pair of Londing single monks and aside from the initial stiffness of the leather, they broke in fairly well.
     
  10. scatterbrain

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    Quality post. [​IMG]

    The Loading looks a lot more elegant. I think the cap toe on the AE is too short, but is the cap toe on the Loding too long? Do you get creases on the cap when you bend down to tie your shoe?
     
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  11. ryanginger

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    I picked up a pair of Loding captoes a few months back and continue to fight with them. For a while I was keeping them at my office and changing into them there for light wear hoping that'd break them in without too much pain.. but these guys are stiff. Easily the longest break-in of any pair of shoes I've owned. I'll update my post if things change, but as of now, I'm regretting the purchase.
     
  12. burgerkong

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    I agree, when compared to my Strands, you can see that the cap differs by about 1/2". I'm shipping the SL to the border and picking them up on the way back from Buffalo. A local member played (and lost) the sizing lottery on a couple pairs of Meermins, so I'm not sure I even want to go forward with the SL's, which sucks.

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    Nope, I don't. Took some more pics which I'll add to the initial post. They crease in similar spots to my Strands, which already has a weird creasing due to how the cap toe is sewn on. You can also see what I meant by OK leather quality - the left and right shoe have vamps made from different parts of the hide. The left shoe creases beautifully, whereas the right isn't as nice.

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    Also, more evidence of cost cutting (or perhaps they weren't able to channel the rubber half sole, who knows): standard AE Strands have channeled stitching.

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    Brendan
     
  13. nqtri

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    @burgerkong actually now that I looked closely, the toe cap on your BB is very short indeed. If you look at the BB plain captoe that I posted, mine have the toe cap about the same as the Strands. Given the error in stitching under the soles, you might want to check with BB again if there is any QC problem here.
     
  14. burgerkong

    burgerkong Senior member

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    I googled and it seems that Fifth Avenues have a retarted cap length, regardless of whether they're BB branded or AE branded.

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  15. ADub

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    I had an AE Fifth Ave before and sold it because of the short cap toe and its relative inelegance compared to something like Carmina though I'm smitten by these John Lobb as well

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  17. nqtri

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    By the way, you can now find some sick deals from Gilt (duty-free and free shipping to Canada for over $100 or sometimes extra 30% off). I guess it's easier now for Canadians after Hudson's Bay took over the site. Brands include Loake 1880, Harrys of London etc.
     
  18. ADub

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    I also really like the EG on the 82 last; it's a hard life I know. Maybe I should just stick to watches at least the secondary market is a lot more liquid than for shoes and clothes without losing your shirt on sales.
     
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    On that subject, I have to say Loake`s 1880 are by far stiffer than AE, though I do prefer the esthetic of the pair I got. Loding are about as stiff, and the creasing on mine is rather unfortunate.

    There really is no magic bullet at this price point, but to be realistic, they`re all infinitely better than cheaper alternatives. I've been running with two pairs of AEs for three years now and they look as good as new, and the Lodings are looking pretty good after 6 months.

    Worst pair of shoes I've ever purchased were a set of Canalis (thankfully heavily discounted). They were clunky, dried up incredibly fast and creased worse than any of the the shoes mentioned above. Jok did some miracle work and got me a few more months out of them but they're past the point of no return now.
     
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    I had the fifth ave as well. I sold it because well to me it wasn't a good looking shoe.

    However all my other AE shoes I'm perfectly fine with. If you're going after perfection then AE shouldn't be on your radar. If you want "budget" shoes that will last and is of quality (subjective quality) then AE is fine.

    I've had no issues so far buying AE. Since I"m a cheap ass I can look past certain short falls that come with buying a AE shoe.:slayer::D:slayer:
     

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