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Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Cognacad, Sep 20, 2009.

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  1. TorontoJK

    TorontoJK Member

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    I've bought a bunch of Boss suits over the past 4 or 5 years and have enjoyed wearing them and yes, gotten compliments on them (but I certainly don't advertise that they're Boss, why would I?) Now, I did have an issue with one slim cut basic black suit splitting in the seat (as I ran up a flight of stairs two at a time in the rain). Granted, I wore that suit more than any other article of clothing that I've owned in the past 20 years, so I got use out of it, and put it through some stress (like running up stairs two at a time) so perhaps no suit would have stood up to it.

    One thing that I want some feedback on: I was told by a Boss salesman at the flagship store here in Toronto that the suits sold through Boss stores are floating canvas, whereas those that are manufactured and sold through non-Boss retail stores are not - can anyone tell me if this is so? At the time, it felt like there was a floating layer in there when I felt the jacket, but all the trash talk I've seen on SF and I've never heard anyone mention Boss using floating canvas construction.
     


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    Maybe they're referring to Boss Selection, which is half canvassed.
     


  3. TorontoJK

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    No - it was the black label, $995 (Canadian) in the Sharp/Jam style. I asked him why someone would buy through Boss when Harry Rosen (large Canadian men's retailer) was across the street with a huge Boss section and he told me that the biggest perk of purchasing from the Boss store was the floating canvas. I'm going to check when I get home and see if I was just drinking the koolaid or if it really is floating.
     


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    Yeah, I'd be really skeptical about that. I've talked to the SAs at the Bloor location too, and they told me it was fused.
     


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    Boss Selection Tailored Line is fully canvassed if i recall correctly.
     


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    I can't really say this for certain about Hugo Boss. But i do know for Tom Ford the collections he does for bergdorf's (Department store in NYC owned by Neiman Marcus) differs from the ones found in the actual Tom Ford store but of course there are some overlaps such as solid colored suits/shirts etc. But if we are talking about the actual construction of the suit i think they would get into trouble for sending out a inferior product to one of their retailers.
     
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    That's EXACTLY where I bought my one Boss charcoal solid suit -- through the BOSS "flagship" store in Meatpacking District of NYC. Same model....the James/Sharp suit. Fabirc feels great and jacket has held up through multiple dry cleanings (no bubbline or anything that would make me think it's clearly fused...).

    You should call the BOSS store and ask to clarify...
     


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    SirGrotius Senior member

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    My experience with SAs is that almost none know what canvassing means (some assume it has to do with the "lining" of the jacket). I'd be shocked to hear that their flagship store has canvassed suits for the same price point as their regular, non-canvassed suits.

    I own a Boss suit that I bought maybe three years ago. Annoyingly enough, I got TONs of compliments on it. That said, I think if you're fit and wear a suit that's tailored to your body you'll look better than 90% of the plebes out there. It's that 10% of wiggle room which takes you to SF excellence, some would even say, art.
     


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    The reason Boss gets alot of compliments is because it's flattering to an athletic/fit body type (in contrast to suits that are meant to fit all body types). And it has to be admitted, they use decent fabrics once in a while (guabello, Loro Piana).

    That being said, you can find Boss suits on ebay for sub-500. Also check out their outlet store in Vaughn Mills; I've seen Boss suits go for $200 there.
     


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    I have two boss suits from the Jam/Sharp line that were bought from the outlet store at Vaughan Mills. Both suits are black label, and both were well above $200. Both are fused. There's no doubt about that. But the fabric's nice, and the styling works well for me.

    I'd tell anyone looking to buy new Boss to look for the Sartoria Parma suits that are going for $700-$900 on eBay. But to call them "garbage" and lump them in with whatever you can buy at Sears for $150/suit is, in my opinion, wrong.
     


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    Boss suits receive both justified and unfair criticism. On the one hand they are fused, on the other hand they are not horribly expensive.

    Outside of a couple of online haberdasher sites or back alley behind railway station Hong Kong / Seoul tailors, it is not possible to get a fully canvassed suit for under $700. Certainly not in US department stores. Boss suits, while ridiculously priced at retail, are often obtainable for $500 or less - cheaper in fact that Brooks Brothers outside their 346 factory outlet line.

    So what is there to criticize? Boss are a cheap suit and priced as such.

    I would think it far more fair to completely annihilate the fused offering coming from Dolce and Gabbana and Versace Collection, both suits far more expensive than Boss. Even Gucci are guilty for having a fused suit range for around $1.5K retail. These brands deserve major condemnation for selling fused crap for the price of a machine made canvassed suit. Boss on the other hand, they are what they are. Their perceived high scale luxury is the result of clever marketing and ignoramuses that believe they are top tier.
     
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    +1

    Dolce and Gucci seem to avoid criticism for some reason.
     


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    Last Call has a bunch of Hickey Freeman mainline suits for $419 right now. Price shows up in cart.

    http://www.lastcall.com/store/catal...962386&menuPath=cat000000_cat000002_cat000002
     


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    So I guess is going to be hard to find a definitive list. Also I see that there are some brands like Antonio Solito that are not in the list or some other like Massimo Dutti. I know maybe Massimo Dutti would not be as good as some other brands already names. But Anotnio Solito, what I've heard is that is really good. All the suits of the Mexican Presidents are Antonio Solito. Also one of the most well-know singers in Mexico, Luis Miguel, uses all his suits made by Antonio Solito, and I think they look superb!

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    I love that suit and the tie!
     


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    So, after doing the pinch test at home (and not feeling any floating layer) I called the BOSS store and spoke with a very informative and helpful SA. After listening to my story he replied that I'd been giving some false information and apologized for the dishonest SA. He told me that one of the Boss SA's had been let go because of this type of behaviour and after I declined to give the name, he guessed that it started with 'E' and I told him he was right. The Boss Selection is half-canvassed and starts about $400 higher than the black label, which is fused (or, in BOSS-speak 'engineered'). Mystery solved.

    So, I'll look at some other lines, but I can't deny that I get a lot of compliments on the last 3 BOSS suits that I've purchased - they're all slim cut, fit a (somewhat) athletic build well, and require very little tailoring to fit me well. Now I'll see what else is out there...
     


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