The State of Cocktail Attire: Your Observations.

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by J011yroger, Feb 16, 2014.

  1. Ambulance Chaser

    Ambulance Chaser Senior member

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    I wear mine (I have a burgundy notch lapel and a midnight blue shawl collar) to any party between November and the end of March that is non-casual.
     


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    J011yroger Senior member

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    I also like to use cocktail attire as a reason to get into my styleforum poo-pooed black suits, including my favorite chalk stripe.

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    J011yroger Senior member

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    Would sharkskin suits fit under the umbrella of cocktail attire?

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    GusW Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I think of a velvet jacket like champagne. It makes any event just a bit more special. Wear it for Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Years Eve, a birthday party or throw it on over a crisp white shirt and jeans and sit at a cafe (wearing dark sunglasses, of course)
     


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    J011yroger Senior member

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    I hate when I wear a white shirt and jeans, and the shirt looks flaccid.

    Is there a certain weave of stiffer cloth, or do you just starch the piss out of them to give nice body?

    Not talking about an ocbd, like a real dress shirt.

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    I'd take it to mean the shirt is simply too loose. Should be a bit more fitted.
     


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    I don't understand the combination of a white dress shirt (other than an OCBD or perhaps linen button down) with denim. Seems incongruous in terms of formality to me (and yes, I know it is done a lot).
     


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    J011yroger Senior member

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    I meant that I don't like the placket to flop around when a few buttons are undone.

    I know, not really classic menswear material.

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    Veremund Senior member

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    Denim isn't just denim in the modern world. There's manual labour denim, and there's stylish denim. Dark indigo slim jeans and a white shirt is a modern classic for day or night. Not too dressy, not too casual.
     


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    J011yroger Senior member

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    My personal perspective is that in the CM world denim has its little category, right below chinos; in the non CM world denim spans many more categories.

    I own around 50 pairs of jeans, as a European auto mechanic I wear jeans to work, and if it isn't busy at the shop I won't even bother to change into my uniform.

    On the other end of the spectrum in my 20s (and even now at the ripe old age of 31.8) I wore jeans out at night more often than not. Certain nice clubs had no denim policies, and I won't wear them anywhere that requires a jacket and tie. I've worn jeans with an unbuttoned white dress shirt, velvet jacket, and black Chelsea boots on new years eve.

    So my jeans go from pulling the engine out of a car to new years eve, but they are all very different. I keep a lot of my clothes on bookshelves, and have the jeans organized from work to dress. The work ones are 10-15 year old levis that are form fitted to me and frayed at the cuffs and pockets, the dress ones are nicer and more expensive than the full dress trousers from my white tie rig.

    The ones I'd wear with a white dress shirt to a lounge in the city are different from the ones I'd wear with a sweater vest, tie, and tweed jacket or navy blazer.

    Oddly, I'll never wear a jacket and tie with jeans unless I have a sweater or vest on. I don't think it looks good without the waist covered.

    I rarely do the white shirt thing simply because I have so many beautiful shirts for going out on the town, so generally only do so if I want the centerpiece of my outfit to be my jacket.

    I'm by no means proclaiming expertise, just trying to explain how I see denim as a 30 something equally at home covered in transmission fluid or in a tuxedo.

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    ^ Understand that denim can cover a wide variety of roles in contemporary culture and that there are a lot of different styles of jeans. It's more that to me the white spread collar dress shirt (the item that I actually think is more limited in function) is the pinnacle of formality and is something I only wear with a suit or blazer and greys (not even with most jackets and ties). So even if jeans can cover a lot of possible social interactions, I'm not sure they go that far. I can see jeans with a nice tweed odd jacket and an OCBD (which even in white has a more casual appearance). I appreciate your thoughts on the above, though.
     


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    I would wear a point collar, not a spread if I were to go sans tie.

    Without jacket the points give the vertical component which are missing due to the lack of lapels, and with a jacket the points still make it over to the lapel because of the unbuttoned shirt.

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    I have a dark grey striped pair I like with my brown velvet jacket. I think that could look too much like morning dress with black. Solid grey is safe, but I might be inclined toward black - not dinner trousers, just black pants. You could do charcoal solid as well, I think, or even flip things around and get burgundy, or bottle green pants to go with the black jacket.
     


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    Cool idea. My cream formal vest looks amazing with the black velvet, but it looks off without neckwear on a white shirt.

    Any ideas for a tie?

    I have a black formal shirt that I'll try, but it might look like hell.

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    Have you tried a black four in hand? Maybe a jewel tone? Or cream, perhaps. Maybe knit silk. I can't decide if you want high sheen or low.
     


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