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The State of Black Tie: Your Observations

Oshare

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Wondering if anyone else has run into this and/or could suggest a solution.

I found myself constantly fussing over and tugging at my jacket sleeves to straighten them out. After a short while of moving around, the jacket sleeves start to bunch up and I get these unsightly wrinkles towards the shoulder.

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I think it may be because the double cuffs of my shirts are just too bulky, so the jacket sleeve catches on the cuff and is not able to drape naturally. I've noticed this happening with all 3 of my "slim fit" dress shirts (OTR from 2 different makers) matched with 2 different dinner jackets from different makers. Is this typical?

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Does it do the same with other shirts, or if you wear it bare-chested? Looks like a problem either with the angle of the sleeve (which is a serious alteration but not traumatic), or perhaps the way the armscye of the shirt interacts with your armpit and the jacket.
 

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Does it do the same with other shirts, or if you wear it bare-chested? Looks like a problem either with the angle of the sleeve (which is a serious alteration but not traumatic), or perhaps the way the armscye of the shirt interacts with your armpit and the jacket.

I just tried it with a business shirt made by Kamakura, which are very slim in the upper arm area. No problem with the jacket bunching up, so I will look into a formal shirt by Kamakura to see if that works.

Thanks for the suggestion.
 

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When the wedding invitation specifies:

Attire: Formal (jackets required)

Is black tie permissible?
 

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When the wedding invitation specifies:

Attire: Formal (jackets required)

Is black tie permissible?

Technically formal should mean black tie in the US, but in reality the bride and groom might not know the definition of their dress code.

Easiest way to find out is to ask the groom or bride and see if that’s appropriate, don’t want to outdress them on their big day, especially if you wind up being the only one in a tux. I’ve been invited to daytime ‘black tie optional’ weddings where the groom was in a lounge suit...so I just ask to get more info and feel for the event
 

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When the wedding invitation specifies:

Attire: Formal (jackets required)

Is black tie permissible?

To me that sounds like an instruction to "look nice" not an invitation to tux up, but -- easiest thing is just to ask...
 

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I say if you can wear a fluffy wig and lots of lace go for it.
There was a Louis XIII themed dinner (perfectly serious: part of a global network of French monarchists, I mean, gourmets that might incidentally hold monarchist views) in Singapore recently where all the waitstaff wore exactly that, period dress being de rigueur. I think most of the guests came in black tie, in any case you can't exactly go around with your side sword in that country.
 

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I don’t usually post photos here - I’m a black tie enthusiast (I have 11 dinner jackets and counting) but I know that my execution isn’t likely to meet SF standards. I buy everything affordably, get minimal alterations, and do my thing. But since we’ve discussed dove grey dinner jackets in this thread a bit and mine just made its debut during one of the formal nights on a recent cruise I figured I’d post a quick pic. (Alas, I only saw one or two other tuxedos during the formal nights.)

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Median age <-> length of cruise.
 

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