The State of Black Tie: Your Observations

[poorsod]

Did he go to the red carpet cocktail reception and afterparty? I pretty much stayed there since I was asked to take pics there. Too bad, it sounds like he dressed well and I would’ve loved to snap his pic. Side note - I have never been at a place, not even Pitti, where people straight up asked me to take a picture of them. Not with their cellphone. With my camera. And then give me their card to email it to them.

in NYC it’s typical for events like that to be covered by Patrick McMullan, Bill Farrell agency, Guest of a guest and etc. Next time they should hire you as their photographer!

 

[The Chai]

Cross post from unfunded liabilities...unlined 4x1 Casablanca dinner jacket

 

[The Chai]

Decided to wear it for the night out because why not ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Luigi_M]

Decided to wear it for the night out because why not ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

"play it again Sam ..."

 

[Daraven]

I remember having this conversation with the head of a national youth orchestra, who wanted to clothe the players in T-shirts in bright colours with primary school patterns. He thought it'd make the whole thing more approachable, popular, and ultimately impressive. The players were against the idea as concerts were very special occasions for them and to wear street clothes took away from the spirit. From later talking with the very audience targeted by such moves, they also considered going to "the symphony" a special occasion worth dressing up for.

The real way to make classical music accessible is to make it affordable. I used to go to the ROH as a broke student thanks to the 10 GBP tickets (couple of times in black tie), the Proms were even cheaper, but the cheap seats were not necessarily less well dressed. Here in Asia, a Vienna Philharmonic visit will be milked thoroughly with tickets starting at $250, sometimes $400, and I remember seeing Mehta conducting them in the Rite of Spring for almost a hundredth of that...

Can relate to this a lot. My fiancée is in the classical music industry (pianist) here in Europe and we are both quite young. Many venues/organizations try to 'casualize' concerts in order to attract more people - meanwhile selling super expensive tickets. Or, one of the very common approaches, try to inject other things like politics into it. The worst offender that my fiancée met was a venue in which concerts were barely recognizable as such. One example was their bright idea to turn a concert into a pub basically, meaning the audience chats and has beers while the orchestra attempts to play. Best part, they were looking for young musicians to play there - entirely unpaid of course.

 

[JJ Katz]

Can relate to this a lot. My fiancée is in the classical music industry (pianist) here in Europe and we are both quite young. Many venues/organizations try to 'casualize' concerts in order to attract more people - meanwhile selling super expensive tickets. Or, one of the very common approaches, try to inject other things like politics into it. The worst offender that my fiancée met was a venue in which concerts were barely recognizable as such. One example was their bright idea to turn a concert into a pub basically, meaning the audience chats and has beers while the orchestra attempts to play. Best part, they were looking for young musicians to play there - entirely unpaid of course.

This pernicious, self-defeating sort of idiocy is known in curatorial circles as "being relevant".

 

[Van Veen]

Can relate to this a lot. My fiancée is in the classical music industry (pianist) here in Europe and we are both quite young. Many venues/organizations try to 'casualize' concerts in order to attract more people - meanwhile selling super expensive tickets. Or, one of the very common approaches, try to inject other things like politics into it. The worst offender that my fiancée met was a venue in which concerts were barely recognizable as such. One example was their bright idea to turn a concert into a pub basically, meaning the audience chats and has beers while the orchestra attempts to play. Best part, they were looking for young musicians to play there - entirely unpaid of course.

It can work if done in the right setting, with the right audience, but not as part of a main programming series for a traditional group. (e.g. Le Poisson Rouge.) Some Cleveland Orchestra musicians set up pub concerts on the side, and it was quite successful. But has to be organized by someone who cares about it and is not cynically trying to attract younger audiences. Most of the time when established groups make a top-down attempt to do this, they half-ass it and look out-of-touch.

 

[benjamin831]

 

[ericgereghty]

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So much sex appeal across the board. The black tie rig is perfect, and your lady looks some sort of fantastic

 

[smittycl]

What do you guys think of this jacket? Thinking of lapel roll and buttoning point. It's an Attolini in my exact size.

EDIT: @Andy57 @The Chai do you guys think this tux works? the lapel roll seems a bit high over the button. Would it just cover the lowest stud and cummerbund? Better with a vest maybe or just don't button it?

 

[psb]

What do you guys think of this jacket? Thinking of lapel roll and buttoning point. It's an Attolini in my exact size.

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If you wear it with a bow tie it would look really great.

 

[smittycl]

If you wear it with a bow tie it would look really great.

Thanks. I was comparing it to this one, a Brioni, which looks like it has the more common lapel rolled down to the button.

 

[psb]

Thanks. I was comparing it to this one, a Brioni, which looks like it has the more common lapel rolled down to the button.

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To me, the Brioni looks a little bit more elegant, because of the rolled lapel being closer to the button.

 

[smittycl]

To me, the Brioni looks a little bit more elegant, because of the rolled lapel being closer to the button.

I was thinking the same thing although the measurements on the Attolini are a little closer to what I need. Sigh. Might just pass on them both. I currently have a RLBL tux but I'm starting to think I want wider lapels.

 

[psb]

I was thinking the same thing although the measurements on the Attolini are a little closer to what I need. Sigh. Might just pass on them both. I currently have a RLBL tux but I'm starting to think I want wider lapels.

Do you mean peak lapels ?

The State of Black Tie: Your Observations

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