The State of Black Tie: Your Observations

[classicalthunde]

His is obviously not, but something about them just look...cheap? Polyester-y?

I've always thought that facings on black/midnight tuxedos bring a "pop" to an otherwise dark and somber looking outfit.

When the jacket is cream or a blue/maroon/bottle green velvet there isn't really the same need to add a "pop" to liven up the outfit since the base fabric is already pretty attention grabbing

 

[bdhazman]

I'm having an ivory dinner jacket made for my wedding in May. I'm going with a single breasted, one-button, peak lapel jacket and black tuxedo pants. The material is going to be a lightweight wool. Would people still recommend doing self-facing?
I don't want the jacket to look like its just a white sport coat with peak lapels but I also have seen that lots of classic examples of a white dinner jacket (Sean Connery in Goldfinger for example) are self-facing. Follow up, do you still do covered buttons on a self-faced dinner jacket?

 

[Faux Brummell]

I'm having an ivory dinner jacket made for my wedding in May. I'm going with a single breasted, one-button, peak lapel jacket and black tuxedo pants. The material is going to be a lightweight wool. Would people still recommend doing self-facing?
I don't want the jacket to look like its just a white sport coat with peak lapels but I also have seen that lots of classic examples of a white dinner jacket (Sean Connery in Goldfinger for example) are self-facing. Follow up, do you still do covered buttons on a self-faced dinner jacket?

Self-facing definitely seems to be the most classic option, though I recently learned on another forum that silk facings were more common than I realized, and that even the dinner jacket in Casablanca had silk facings, which really surprised me.

 

[classicalthunde]

I'm having an ivory dinner jacket made for my wedding in May. I'm going with a single breasted, one-button, peak lapel jacket and black tuxedo pants. The material is going to be a lightweight wool. Would people still recommend doing self-facing?
I don't want the jacket to look like its just a white sport coat with peak lapels but I also have seen that lots of classic examples of a white dinner jacket (Sean Connery in Goldfinger for example) are self-facing. Follow up, do you still do covered buttons on a self-faced dinner jacket?

yes, would still do self-facing...if anything maybe add some turnback cuffs if you really want to differentiate it

you could do self facing, I think I've also seen mother of pearl too...

 

[acconrad]

You are very kind. For a cream linen shawl lapel dinner jacket, I think it is better to have it be self-faced, meaning the lapels are simply the same fabric as the jacket itself. If that Brooks Brothers jacket is your size, I'd say you should go for it.

Are these jackets normally lined? I noticed this jacket is lined, which feels like it's defeating the purpose of being a summer-appropriate black tie jacket. What should I be looking for if the real goal is a lighter tuxedo jacket for a hot summer outing?

 

[Mark from Plano]

You shouldn’t do unlined in cream/white. It’ll be see-through.

 

[upr_crust]

This set of photos are some pictures of my newest indulgence, a black shawl collared single-breasted tuxedo from Paul Stuart/Phineas Cole, which I've styled with the four formal waistcoats in my collection as of present. (I'll be in the UK in about two weeks - addition(s) to the collection might be made.)

 

[MattyS]

Self-facing definitely seems to be the most classic option, though I recently learned on another forum that silk facings were more common than I realized, and that even the dinner jacket in Casablanca had silk facings, which really surprised me.

Many of the sources I've found indicate that the jacket worn in the film did not have silk facing. See, for instance:

Bogart's Ivory Dinner Jacket in Casablanca » BAMF Style

Vitals Humphrey Bogart as Rick Blaine, cynical “gin joint” manager and former arms dealer Casablanca, Morocco, December 1941 Film: Casablanca Release Date: November 26, 1942 Director: Michael Curtiz Background Although remembered today as one of the greatest romances to grace the screen, the Los...

bamfstyle.com

Casablanca: a lesson in ivory eveningwear | Thomas Mason

There are many claimants to the best Black Tie looks in movie history, writes Charlie Thomas, but nothing quite beats Bogart’s pitch-perfect ivory dinner jacket

www.thomasmason.co.uk

 

[ericgereghty]

How would y'all pair "odd" midnight blue tuxedo trews? Can it work with black/midnight dinner jackets of a distinctly different fabric? Only obviously non-black/midnight blew jackets?

 

[hpreston]

How would y'all pair "odd" midnight blue tuxedo trews? Can it work with black/midnight dinner jackets of a distinctly different fabric? Only obviously non-black/midnight blew jackets?

I do not think trying to wear them with a solid black jacket would look good…. It might even look, odd 😜

Odd midnight trousers could look good with many of the non-black formal jacket options. Tartan, any of the odd velvet colors (green, burgundy etc), a white or cream jacket could look great

 

[ericgereghty]

I do not think trying to wear them with a solid black jacket would look good…. It might even look, odd 😜

Odd midnight trousers could look good with many of the non-black formal jacket options. Tartan, any of the odd velvet colors (green, burgundy etc), a white or cream jacket could look great

Curious about perhaps black velvet, though by and large, I think I agree.

 

[hpreston]

Curious about perhaps black velvet, though by and large, I think I agree.

Maybe ?

 

[lumow]

Looking for a RTW black barathea tuxedo. Preferably single breasted, double (or no) vents, peak lapels, grosgrain silk facings and jetted pockets. Any ideas?

 

[ericgereghty]

Anglo Italian
Spier & Mackay
Anthology

 

[Sreezy36]

How would y'all pair "odd" midnight blue tuxedo trews? Can it work with black/midnight dinner jackets of a distinctly different fabric? Only obviously non-black/midnight blew jackets?

1. Cream Jacket any configuration with self facing lapel
2. Petrol, Mid, or Sky blue velvet. Just light enough to provide contrast
3. Petrol, mid, or sky blue linen or tropical shawl dinner jacket with self facing lapel
4. Burma colored dinner jacket with self facing lapel. Any configuration