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The State of Black Tie: Your Observations

acconrad

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I think it depends on what the black tie event stipulates for dress code. If it just says black tie (and not creative black tie or black tie optional) I would respect the dress code and go black. If it mentions creative or anything like that, feel free to add in the color. I'm guessing based on the "overly casual" statement that creative black tie may be in the cards, in which case, probably not an issue.
 

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Oh, liberties abound. I'm likely to be smote from the heavens above before being tsk-tsk'd over my sock choice, so very safe on the adherence to rules front.
It would actually help to see the slippers as black silk socks usually work nicely with burgundy. Are the edge of the soles black? If you don't go with black socks, then the next natural sock choice would be one that matches the color of the slipper.
 

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Thanks to a lovely combination of destination weddings being on the table again, and global warming, I am pretty much guaranteed to leave my jacket at the table while I tear up the dance floor. Tie comes undone, as do the button and a stud or two, cufflinks stuffed away in my jacket with my sleeves rolled up. I see the exact same from everyone else my age. The ones with their jackets on are usually a little older, smoking their cigars and trading stories.
I'm an old man but I leave my jacket on even when dancing. I don't get too hot. I also keep my tie tied until I go home. I find with properly fitted shirt and jacket I am comfortable all night.
 

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Don't take jackets off when wearing suits or tuxedos. Looks terrible in any situation.

I always keep my jacket on and buttoned when standing up. When waltzing or fox trotting, on and usually still buttoned. On and unbuttoned when seated at dinner.

And when the party and band start to crank up, the jacket goes on the back of the chair. Which is what all the cool fun guys do when dancing with the attractive ladies. I'm in my 60s fyi.

The guys with their coats still on are usually standing off in the corner with a bunch of other dudes.
I will be on the dance floor the entire night at any kind of event with dancing. My jacket stays on the entire time. In fact I wear white tie on NYE and my tailcoat, waistcoat, and stiff collar stay on for an entire night of dancing.
 

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At the request of @ericgereghty:
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The full-length image is a frame capture of our video, which you can see on Instagram, should you be so inclined.

Even I think this is a long reach from black tie, but I think it works okay for a summer evening cocktail party or some similar thing. I had the trousers made to go with my black double-breasted jacket and they work very well in that combination. Our esteemed friend @Butler does not think this combination works very well. He might be right, but he's awfully set in his ways.
I think it looks good. A great cocktail party look.
 

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I don't disagree, but you're NEVER going to convince me a) that it looks bad or b) a suit sans tie will ALWAYS look bad.

That sentiment, particularly the latter, is ludicrous, and genuinely strains credulity that one truly believes it.

I'm 10000000% on board with the POV that it could be better (suit w/tie DOES look better!), but the always awful sentiment is just wacky.
You lose me when you say you can't believe that anyone truly believes a suit without a tie always looks bad. You believe it looks ok, why wouldn't someone else feel it looks bad. I think a suit always looks better with a tie. I even think a sport coat looks better with a tie. I don't believe that being as casually dressed as possible is a more honest state of being than wearing dressier clothing. And I grew up in the 70s in the beginning of the anti-suit era.
 

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You lose me when you say you can't believe that anyone truly believes a suit without a tie always looks bad. You believe it looks ok, why wouldn't someone else feel it looks bad. I think a suit always looks better with a tie. I even think a sport coat looks better with a tie. I don't believe that being as casually dressed as possible is a more honest state of being than wearing dressier clothing. And I grew up in the 70s in the beginning of the anti-suit era.
I just don’t, sorry. I do agree that a tie is almost always preferable (certainly with suits), but I can’t countenance the idea that one can go from “this is fantastic” to “this is trash” when looking at an otherwise identical outfit simply due to an absence of dangly silk.
It just smacks of disingenuousness to me. Now, say said outfit looks far better with a tie? You’ll get no dissent from me.
 

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