The State of Black Tie: Your Observations

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    mafoofan THE FOO Dubiously Honored

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    Right, so they would still say what the expected attire was, right? Some people are saying it is rude to do so and it isn't done in Europe--which sounds ridiculous to me.
     
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    Of course! :bigstar:
     
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    Only in the case of "lounge suit" as I recall. Anything else would be "formal" or "semi-formal." Though, we would get it translated by the social aides. So, they would say "when the Queen says formal she means white tie and tails." And then everybody came and asked me what to wear. :)
     
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    I was including terms like "formal" and "semi-formal" under the heading of attire. You wouldn't be expected just to know to wear a tux and you wouldn't have gone off the fanciness of the invitation font . . .
     
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    I was a black tie preferred party last PM and more than 50% of the men showed up in tuxes. So all hope is not lost, yet. However, I did notice a number of notch lapel tuxes. . . :facepalm:
     
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    Everyone has a spin on it also, they rarely use it in the appropriate or literal sense which adds confusion even if they are technically specifying the attire on the invite. It suggests that it would not be at all incorrect in inquire with someone in the know for the event.
     
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    I will say, I have hope for the my generation and younger, they seem to prefer to be more formal.
     
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    Well, that is true. I went to one white tie state dinner and everyone was like "What the hell???" But because of the Gridiron and Alfalfa dinners in DC, which are white tie, a small amount of awareness hangs on.

    Now that I think of it, it's been almost ten years since I wore tails and I expect I never will again.
     
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    I bought a made to measure tuxedo from Armani a few years ago when I got married. I love the garment, but I have to admit I regret selecting a notch lapel. The salesman suggested the notch was perhaps more classic and timeless, and while the peak was also good option, "you can't go wrong with the notch". Not knowing any different, and being more familiar with the notch that's the way I went. I am lucky if I get to wear a tux at least once a year and I can't see myself replacing it, so I plan to rock my notch with pride.

    On an unrelated note, I'm curious what SF'rs think about the appropriateness of a formal fly front shirt where the buttons are hidden, as opposed to wearing studs.
     
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    I don't think I travel in particularly rarefied circles, and I can tell you that at many random NYC evening weddings I have been to, there are people in black tie and people who aren't, and that includes weddings where the invitation doesn't specify (which is pretty common). In fact, at the wedding where I was told NOT to wear black tie because I wasn't in the wedding party, there were people not in the wedding party who showed up in black tie.

    Certainly, you can get a sense from the venue how dressy an event it is likely to be.
     
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    D., I would have assumed your circles are indeed quite rarefied. Maybe you are just too embedded to know it. :)
     
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    This has never happened in the whole history of California.
     
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    I don't think so. It is probably a a result of advancing years, but between friends, family and community, I am certainly exposed to a variety of different weddings. Some are certainly fancier than others, but people in black tie are common enough at fancier "suit' weddings and they don't seem to stick out. I don't meant that people always wear black tie, and I likely wouldn't without asking unless it was obviously a formal type venue, but it isn't that rare.

    I believe that. But what would you wear to an evening wedding at the Pierre if the invitation didn't say anything? Would you be surprised if some people were in black tie?
     
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    You have to go back to the '50s to find an invite with no dress code.

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    Seeing all of those invites is pretty cool, and very informative. Thank you for posting and taking time to find all of those images^^
     

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