The State of Black Tie: Your Observations

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  1. MikeDT

    MikeDT Senior member

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    It's probably much easier to find black tie events though if one is in a large metropolitan city, like London , New York or Washington DC.

    I don't think there's much chance of me finding a black tie required function or event around here.
     
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    [crossposted from the Ask A Question thread]

    With a midnight blue single breasted tuxedo with black grograin lapels, is the vest supposed to be midnight blue (made from the same material as the jacket) or black? And if black, what kind of fabric?
     
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    Vests for dinner suits can be same cloth, grosgrain/silk front, or a combination (grosgrain/satin only on the vest lapels). But in this case, midnight blue same cloth is the correct answer. Combined with your already black jacket lapels, a black vest would create too much contrast. If not in poor taste, it would certainly be very flashy, and you probably don't want that. After all, midnight blue should not look blue to anybody--the more black you add to your outfit, the more likely it will stand out as such.

    Also, you can think of the black grosgrain of your lapels as incidental to compromise (it's hard to get matching midnight blue grosgrain). Why spread the 'error'?

    Now, if you were doing a cummerbund, it would be a different story. You could do midnight blue grosgrain or satin to match your jacket color, or you could do black grosgrain to match your lapels (and ostensibly, your bow tie). You have expanded options because a cummerbund is more an accoutrement, while a vest is more an integral component of the dinner suit it's worn with.
     
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    Notice how we gave the same answer, yet I am nonetheless more correct than you.
     
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    You complete me.
     
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    Thanks guys. I assume the lapels of the waistcoat match the lapels of the dinner jacket (in this case, black grosgrain), correct? Or should they be self-faced?
     
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    Midnight blue same cloth, not grosgrain, in this case. A vest should not draw attention to itself. It's really more of a background component and should underlie your jacket, not mirror it--particularly when doing so would add complication where one should err on the side of simplicity.
     
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    Black (tie optional)

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    ^^^ Wow, that is all atrocious. Only the First Lady looks decent. Thank god she's not wearing a f*cking cardigan.
     
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    State dinners always call for black tie and of course formal dinners.
     
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    Wondering if Obama went notch lapel because of his job...
     
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    Thanks again, that makes good sense.
     
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    Do they call for ignorance and poor taste?


    Nah. It's because neither he nor his social director know any better.
     
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    Think so? I could just hear someone saying, nah, peak would be too flashy. Now here's what you need...has the button hole for your flag pin and everything!

    And what's wrong with Tyson's coat?
     
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