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The State of Black Tie: Your Observations

am55

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Excellent stuff but minor quibble, the wings should (historically) go above or in front of the tie, like:


(from the amazing Marina Amaral)

I shall continue my hopeless crusade endlessly...
 

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With no judgement attached to anyone feeling differently, I cannot begin to fathom feeling badly about being overdressed. The biggest drawback (from my experience) is being complimented by strangers, and receiving exceptional service, presumably because waiters assume the nicely dressed schmo will tip well.

I only wish I'd owned a proper tux/dinner jacket when I lived in San Diego. Wearing that out in PB would have been hilarious.
 

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With no judgement attached to anyone feeling differently, I cannot begin to fathom feeling badly about being overdressed. The biggest drawback (from my experience) is being complimented by strangers, and receiving exceptional service, presumably because waiters assume the nicely dressed schmo will tip well.

I only wish I'd owned a proper tux/dinner jacket when I lived in San Diego. Wearing that out in PB would have been hilarious.
Lol I concur! It's better to be overdressed than "underdressed".
 

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I'm thinking of introducing some black watch to break up the monotony of black tie.

2 possibilities:

1. black watch dinner jacket with black waistcoat and pants

2. Black dinner jacket with blackwatch waistcoat and pants

Which do you recommend? Or is black watch a no go? Thanks.
I'd really like a blackwatch (or other tartan) dinner jacket with non-black tie lapels. I recall Vox having a tartan, shawl lapel DJ that looked great from what I saw.
 

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Some of you are likely aware that my wedding is rapidly approaching, and I have mentioned on various occasions that I am struggling with what to wear. At a base level, I am wearing a tuxedo. That is easy. And although I have a tuxedo that I wear, it is getting ratty (and not in the good, rat-pack sort of way). Initially, I though that Eidos may be an option - particular Eidos cuts are very flattering on me. However, I would have to go MTO and the wedding is a bit too close to rely on that option. I thought about Formosa, but the fit has not been 100% on me lately. I thought about Ring Jacket, but my last experience with Ring Jacket was not great in terms of fit either.

Thus, I was at the point where I was going to go with Suit Supply. They have a classicly-detailed tuxedo, it is moderately inexpensive, and it would get the job done. I have a couple Suit Supply suits, and have no qualms with them.

Then, I got to looking around at a few of my friends' wedding albums. I was sort of shocked by how lovely the bride and bridesmaids were and how frumpy the groom and groomsmen were. And then I thought to myself - if I glance through my friends' wedding albums with moderate frequency, how often will I look at my own wedding album? Do I really want to look like this at my own wedding (look familiar, CM?)?

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This is all to say that I intend to commission a bespoke tuxedo from Chris. Still deciding between midnight blue and black. However, it will consist of a single breasted jacket with peak lapels no vents and jetted pockets and silk facings, pleated pants with no cuffs, and with a shawl collar low-cut vest (hopefully double breasted) (pretty much like that Vox pic).

I am very excited about this new project.

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This is all to say that I intend to commission a bespoke tuxedo from Chris. Still deciding between midnight blue and black. However, it will consist of a single breasted jacket with peak lapels no vents and jetted pockets and silk facings, pleated pants with no cuffs, and with a shawl collar low-cut vest (hopefully double breasted) (pretty much like that Vox pic).

I am very excited about this new project.

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Until I find the righteous one, COMPUTER BLUE!!!
 

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Newc, obviously it won't be to you since you presumably sweat the details, but you look pretty solid in that pic, notch lapels and pre-tied bow (I think?) notwithstanding. You could do much worse...but, of course, to say you could do much better with Despos is like saying Deron Williams could have been better in the Finals (sorry Six :D). That is to say...DUH.

Look forward to seeing it come to fruition...shantung facings would be some sorta sexy
 

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Until I find the righteous one, COMPUTER BLUE!!!
If Prince cannot convince me, who can? Chris is sending me swatches of both.

Just two words for you Newc: shantung facings.

Looking forward to the pics!
Thanks bud! Shantung facings, while intriguing, will probably get nixed this go around. I will one day have a shantung dinner jacket though.

Newc, obviously it won't be to you since you presumably sweat the details, but you look pretty solid in that pic, notch lapels and pre-tied bow (I think?) notwithstanding. You could do much worse...but, of course, to say you could do much better with Despos is like saying Deron Williams could have been better in the Finals (sorry Six :D). That is to say...DUH.

Look forward to seeing it come to fruition...shantung facings would be some sorta sexy
Believe it or not, this is straight from the wearhouse of men. Just have to hike up the pants, and properly adjust the cummerbund. They will try to get you to wear your pants around your hips, and you just have to ignore them. I found I can make this tuxedo (the vera wang black collection, ugh) look fairly decent. I think this could be a fun commission, and I do have occasion to wear black tie.
 

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like saying Deron Williams could have been better in the Finals (sorry Six :D).
I knew he was washed, I just wasn't sure how washed. He actually put up decent /minute numbers when he was on the court last year before the finals. I'll be interested to see what he can do when in shape. But until proven otherwise, I'm going to believe that he's so washed.

Thanks bud! Shantung facings, while intriguing, will probably get nixed this go around. I will one day have a shantung dinner jacket though.
If I ever commission a tux, it will absolutely have them (unless I change my mind).
 

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@Newcomer Oh man, you made out like a bandit. I shit you not, for my most recent wedding, I wore a MW mid-grey "tuxedo" that had a matching zipper tie...a long tie, no less :censored:
@Mr. Six ya, he wasn't bad at all until the finals, but then he was just trash. Reverting back to #menswear, I don't know if I'd do shantung facings full tux, but would definitely do it for a "casual" dinner jacket. Would look great.
 

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I knew he was washed, I just wasn't sure how washed. He actually put up decent /minute numbers when he was on the court last year before the finals. I'll be interested to see what he can do when in shape. But until proven otherwise, I'm going to believe that he's so washed.



If I ever commission a tux, it will absolutely have them (unless I change my mind).
I tried to get this on my first tuxedo and my tailor talked me out of it. On the next one its a full go for shantung lapels.
 

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