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The State of Black Tie: Your Observations

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by mafoofan, Nov 22, 2011.

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  1. akatsuki

    akatsuki Senior member

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    Well, really I need it for white tie, but ideally I'd like to use it for both which is the advantage of having a couple of collars.
     
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    unless you go custom/bespoke, it's very hard to get a proper winged, detacheable collar shirt.

    Brooks Brothers golden fleece makes one, but the fit is so blousy that it's practically useless.
     
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    Yeah, that is why I am not just going with that. Has anyone bought one and had it cut down to a reasonable proportions by a tailor?
     
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  4. F. Corbera

    F. Corbera Senior member

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    There's a maker of period costume that has a slim RTW formal tunic shirt...forget the name.

    The much-maligned Fedora Lounge will have an answer, from their 1920s cosplay members.

    Or you could PM Carl from CEGO to see if he would make a version for you with standard sizing.
     
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    I just discovered this today. http://www.bespokecollars.com/

    It looks like it might be worth a try. He also does bespoke stiff collars. BTW the prices are in AUS$
     
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    DasRacist.
     
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    [​IMG]

    Rick Santorum, not content to alienate all thinking people, now moves to offend all who care about dressing well.
     
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    Though based on where his eyes are, it looks like he's finally going to try and trade his dial-up for some DSL.
     
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    I'm outta water AND breadsticks and he's loading his masturbation-rolodex for an orgy of onanism. Sheesh, the help these days.
     
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    Just an observation that seemed like it belonged here more than anywhere else...I went to see Luisa Miller at La Scala last night, which was lovely, but did not see anyone wearing black tie, orchestra included. I saw one guy wearing a tuxedo jacket and jeans, but that was as close as anyone came. I asked casually whether one might see some dinner jackets if it were a weekend performance, but was told no. Incidentally, despite the absence of semi-formal evening wear, most men were quite well dressed, including a much larger share of black shoes than I would have expected in Italy.
     
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    They only do for first nights nowadays: (A milanese high ranked politician) [​IMG]

    And more pictures here: http://milano.corriere.it/gallery/m..._8309d630-20fa-11e1-80f3-2318928b83f9.shtml#1
     
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    In what way do you mean impractical? If price, I got my entire first outfit for black tie on Ebay for $80.00. You can get great pieces at wonderful prices if you look. If you mean lack of places to wear a tux, make a decision that you will wear it at least a couple times a year. An obvious choice is New Years Eve. Look for local events like an orchestra concert and wear it there. The first time I did it took some nerve but I got great reactions and now do it several times a year.
     
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    I think I will start wearing white tie fr dinner when I have guests over, you know, to see if anyone comments.

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    Does anyone here dress their young ones in black tie?
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    Yes or no?
     
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    It's probably much easier to find black tie events though if one is in a large metropolitan city, like London , New York or Washington DC.

    I don't think there's much chance of me finding a black tie required function or event around here.
     
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    [crossposted from the Ask A Question thread]

    With a midnight blue single breasted tuxedo with black grograin lapels, is the vest supposed to be midnight blue (made from the same material as the jacket) or black? And if black, what kind of fabric?
     
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    Vests for dinner suits can be same cloth, grosgrain/silk front, or a combination (grosgrain/satin only on the vest lapels). But in this case, midnight blue same cloth is the correct answer. Combined with your already black jacket lapels, a black vest would create too much contrast. If not in poor taste, it would certainly be very flashy, and you probably don't want that. After all, midnight blue should not look blue to anybody--the more black you add to your outfit, the more likely it will stand out as such.

    Also, you can think of the black grosgrain of your lapels as incidental to compromise (it's hard to get matching midnight blue grosgrain). Why spread the 'error'?

    Now, if you were doing a cummerbund, it would be a different story. You could do midnight blue grosgrain or satin to match your jacket color, or you could do black grosgrain to match your lapels (and ostensibly, your bow tie). You have expanded options because a cummerbund is more an accoutrement, while a vest is more an integral component of the dinner suit it's worn with.
     
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    mafoofan Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Notice how we gave the same answer, yet I am nonetheless more correct than you.
     
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