The State of Black Tie: Your Observations

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by mafoofan, Nov 22, 2011.

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  1. gringodaddy

    gringodaddy Senior member

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    You may be, and that is your prerogative. but many men get through life very nicely (and stylishly) not wearing black tie. I believe Manton himself alluded to the fact that he never wears black tie. I could be wrong or not be remembering the comment correctly. No hate.
     


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    Well, that is good to know but since my game plan revolves around eBay and thrift purchases I shall have to pray for the luck blessings of the sartorial gods.

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    No worries, I know it is all a big goof. I consider it the same as owning golf clubs.

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    If they're of similar vintage, you should be ok. I got my morning waistcoat from mytuxed.co.uk - pretty good for the price. Also try savvyrow.co.uk ... thye have some but they always seem to be backless, and I hate backless.
     


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    I don't own those either. Then again, I have to walk 10 blocks just to see grass. I probably have more reason to own black tie then I do golf clubs, but I am too pragmatic. Someone had started a "modern black tie" type thread here a few years back; velvet jackets, prince alberts, etc that I found interesting and is worth looking up.
     


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    Yea, I own a lot of that stuff too. Many times I wear it out on the town, or to a more trendy or relaxed party for new years or the like.

    Some of it can do double or triple duty, but most of it can't.

    J
     


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    I wear a suit twice a year and BT 2-4 times. I don't see a natural correlation.
     


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    Look around. My rig was about $1600 complete and is built around an Italian-made RLP tux and a MTO waistcoat from Jermyn street. I was on a budget but refused to cut corners. In the end, I was surprised by how well I did.
     


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    This happened to me a few years ago. Invitation said "Black Tie." Not "black tie optional." I went out and bought a new rig. Nothing fancy, but it was correct. Peak lapels, vintage stud set, etc. I could count on my hand the number of people wearing real bowties - and this was a HUGE wedding. The wedding party were wearing lounge suit-looking "tuxedos" with CLIP ON suspenders and straight black ties. They looked more like the blues brothers (whom I love, by the way, but they're not wearing black tie!) than a wedding party. You know, that kind of stuff is OK, but don't advertise an event as "black tie" if you don't mean it. I understand that not everyone understands - but this was the WEDDING PARTY.
     


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    Indeed. I got very lucky with my consignment finds. My dinner suit is a wool mohair blend, fully canvassed, made in Austria. Not sure of the vintage, but would guess 90's or 60's, if I had to, based on styling, and was $140. The waistcoat is vintage from the 30's; found it online, and paid $50, then another $35 in alterations. My shoes, shirt, and bow tie, are nothing special; just budget options, but decent quality ones, of good value. The whole thing, excluding hat, was under $400. The hat was a gift; was as much as half the rig, lol.
     


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    Well said. There's a whole range of excellent options that lie between the two extremes. My tuxedo cost $800 and alterations were another $200 or so. And it looks as good today as when I bought it ten years ago.
     


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    My point is that I don't mind being the most formally dressed person in the room on a daily basis, but even so there are few occasions where my wearing black tie would be within the acceptable spectrum. I take every marginal opportunity (including a Christmas party at a friend's home), and there just aren't many.
     


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    You can't base your decision to buy a tux on the cost effectiveness of the purchasing vs rental comparison, and then use a 3000 dollar tux in the equation. That's just silly.

    If you're rich, buy the tux and don't gripe about having to justify the cost. If you're not rich, get a tux that costs less than 500. :brick:
     


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    Fellas, how do you feel about a bottle-green dinner suit? That is, an is-that-black-or-do-my-eyes-deceive-me shade of green. The lapels (peak) would be black grosgrain.
     


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    Velvet jacket, yes; dinner suit, no.

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