• I'm happy to introduce the Styleforum Happy Hour our brand new podcast featuring lively discussion about menswear and the fashion industry. In the inaugural edition, a discussion of what's going on in retail today. Please check it out on the Journal. All episodes will be also be available soon on your favorite podcast platform.

  • STYLE. COMMUNITY. GREAT CLOTHING.

    Bored of counting likes on social networks? At Styleforum, you’ll find rousing discussions that go beyond strings of emojis.

    Click Here to join Styleforum's thousands of style enthusiasts today!

The Quintessential Dress Shoe: Black Cap Toe Oxford

ShoeLover23

New Member
Joined
Aug 10, 2019
Messages
4
Reaction score
0
Thank you for such a collage - I found here what I was looking for. I clicked Anthony Veer's cap-toes but did not take me anywhere and finally found them on DSW.
 

bemow

Active Member
Joined
Jan 29, 2011
Messages
44
Reaction score
0
So, i am looking for a black cap toe oxford. around the 450 USD range...

I have narrowed it down to 2 options. Carmina on their Rain last and TLB Mallorca Artista on their Goya last. What do u guys think ?? is there anything else i should consider at this price range ??

Carmina on their Rain last


And TLB Mallorca Artista on their Goya last.
What was the decision?
 

ShoeLover23

New Member
Joined
Aug 10, 2019
Messages
4
Reaction score
0
What was the decision?
Consider trying Anthony Veer Clinton or Musk If you like to save money. Apparently, Carlos Santana also has Cap-toes known as Woodstock. Both are Welted. My favorite is Clinton from Anthony Veer.
 

highcatcher91

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jan 5, 2016
Messages
94
Reaction score
13
I’m looking for a pair in the $600 range, been eyeing Churches and C&J. Is there a clear quality difference between the two? Or any other one I should be looking into?
 

BColl_Has_Too_Many_Shoes

Senior Member
Joined
Nov 14, 2017
Messages
256
Reaction score
210
I’m looking for a pair in the $600 range, been eyeing Churches and C&J. Is there a clear quality difference between the two? Or any other one I should be looking into?
I would say C&J over Church's. I believe, imo, C&J utilizes a higher quality leather, even at the handgrade level. Both are good-year welted, so construction is equal.

For the money, I would just grab some 804 lasted Enzo Bonafes which are hand-welted.
Screenshot_20190914-124935_Chrome.jpg
Screenshot_20190914-124914_Chrome.jpg
Screenshot_20190914-124858_Chrome.jpg
Screenshot_20190914-124737_Chrome.jpg


Alternatively, I may also do the TLB Artista line for about $150 less.I would just put some wax flat laces on these.



Screenshot_20190914-125157_Chrome.jpg


Screenshot_20190914-125144_Chrome.jpg
 
Last edited:

suitforcourt

Distinguished Member
Joined
Jan 11, 2012
Messages
4,752
Reaction score
7,945
I’m looking for a pair in the $600 range, been eyeing Churches and C&J. Is there a clear quality difference between the two? Or any other one I should be looking into?
I wouldn't buy Church. Especially their polished leathers which is corrected grain.
 

aj2603

Senior Member
Joined
Feb 26, 2019
Messages
540
Reaction score
391
I’m looking for a pair in the $600 range, been eyeing Churches and C&J. Is there a clear quality difference between the two? Or any other one I should be looking into?
In todays market C&J is much better quality than Churches.

U might also wanna look at Enzo Bonafe, Vass and Antonio Meccariello around that price point
 

Stani777

Active Member
Joined
Sep 7, 2017
Messages
37
Reaction score
30
Speaking on italian made Churches I agree. But what's exactly much better in C&J comparing with Made in England Churches? I mean Church's Custom Grade vs Crockett Main Collection(Handgrades are better without a doubt).

I see the difference mainly in the look and the style. Church's look more 'substantial' shoe, more english and traditional I would say. Crockett - more elegant and refined.
 
Last edited:

JUAN MANUEL

Senior Member
Joined
May 12, 2011
Messages
215
Reaction score
314
Speaking on italian made Churches I agree. But what's exactly much better in C&J comparing with Made in England Churches? I mean Church's Custom Grade vs Crockett Main Collection(Handgrades are better without a doubt).

I see the difference mainly in the look and the style. Church's look more 'substantial' shoe, more english and traditional I would say. Crockett - more elegant and refined.
I agree with Stani, I like the heft of Church´s Customs Grade, and wouldn't say that they are of inferior quality than C&J Main Collection. By the way I own 7 pairs of Church´s and 5 of C&J.
 

BColl_Has_Too_Many_Shoes

Senior Member
Joined
Nov 14, 2017
Messages
256
Reaction score
210
The real difference comes from the leather grade. C&J uses a higher grade (as per a visit I had in a Northhampshire factory). Other than that difference, the shoes are made exactly the same. Church's tends to use slightly thicker hides (corrected grain which tends to be inferior) and double soles which would probably account for that "heft" @JUAN MANUEL mentioned. C&J also has a finer silhouettes which would also account for a slightly more sophisticated aesthetic.
 
Last edited:

Featured Sponsor

What's your favorite pair of shoes to wear with jeans? (Choose two)

  • Boots (Chelsea, Chukkas, Balmorals, etc.)

  • Loafers

  • Work boots (Red Wing, Wolverine, etc.)

  • Monk strap shoes

  • Oxford / Derby shoes

  • Sneakers


Results are only viewable after voting.

Related Threads

Staff online

Forum statistics

Threads
425,979
Messages
9,161,116
Members
192,421
Latest member
phuclongintechh

Styleforum is proudly sponsored by

Top