The Quintessential Dress Shoe: Black Cap Toe Oxford

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by wurger, Sep 15, 2013.

Tags:
  1. mfridman

    mfridman Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    89
    Likes Received:
    31
    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2013
    Location:
    Riga, Latvia
    The AS Armfield is a bit out of my price range at 393 GBP. Would try going with Carmina then. thanks!
     
  2. PCK1

    PCK1 Senior member

    Messages:
    3,066
    Likes Received:
    2,994
    Joined:
    Jan 19, 2014
    Location:
    NY
    EG Chelsea versus JLP City II ... thoughts?...I really find both of these more visually appealing than the G&G Oxford...but can't determine which one I prefer

    How do you think the black cap toe oxford would look on Riccardo Bestetti's Almond last?...a little Italian modern flair to an English classic...??
     
    Last edited: Apr 21, 2014
  3. wurger

    wurger Senior member

    Messages:
    2,887
    Likes Received:
    1,226
    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2011
    Location:
    Sydney
    I would pick EG over JLP on non museum calf offerings.

    Personally, I wouldn't do the bestetti with the cap toe, but I did order the Adelaide version
     
  4. Tsujigiri

    Tsujigiri Senior member

    Messages:
    480
    Likes Received:
    120
    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2013
    Location:
    Orange County
    Wurger, you seem to prefer the AS Armfield to the CJ Audley, why is this? It seems like most people on this forum prefer CJ to AS, and the AS isn't "handgrade," but most people don't own both or have anywhere near the experience with cap-toes that you do.
     
  5. golfinz

    golfinz Senior member

    Messages:
    609
    Likes Received:
    197
    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2014
    Location:
    Texas
    I tried to join the club with a Carmina black captoe, but the pair I bought was a bit too wide for my instep; as such, I've put them up for sale in the marketplace if anyone is interested. Size UK6
     
    Last edited: Apr 22, 2014
  6. SuitedDx

    SuitedDx Senior member

    Messages:
    4,616
    Likes Received:
    740
    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2010
    Location:
    The Forum
    
    AS just does not have the marketing as C&J. The AS Exclusive is viewed well and the HG is more towards the EG/G&G/JL end of the spectrum. I prefer EG and G&G because of the last fit but I do prefer AS over C&J, especially the 724 last of AS.

    golfinz: FYI I think you can get banned for posting sale items outside of the B&S threads.
     
  7. golfinz

    golfinz Senior member

    Messages:
    609
    Likes Received:
    197
    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2014
    Location:
    Texas
    Ah! I've seen others do it in various threads, but if it is against forum rules, I took the link down. Thanks for the heads up
     
  8. southbound35

    southbound35 Senior member

    Messages:
    992
    Likes Received:
    37
    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2006
    Location:
    Dallas, TX
    

    As the post above your most recent post shows, you can add the "ad" to the bottom of your posts, which essentially accomplishes the same result (actually better, since more eyes will see it if you post in other threads), but within the rules.
     
    Last edited: Apr 22, 2014
  9. Tsujigiri

    Tsujigiri Senior member

    Messages:
    480
    Likes Received:
    120
    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2013
    Location:
    Orange County
    I didn't realize that the AS HG line was so high up in the hierarchy, nor the Exclusive. Part of the problem is that a lot of the comparisons between C&J and AS are from before AS started moving upmarket. What details about the AS do you find superior?
     
  10. jssdc

    jssdc Senior member

    Messages:
    728
    Likes Received:
    248
    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2013
    Location:
    New York
    My impression had always been that C&J BG<AS Exclusive<C&J HG<AS HG, a positioning that is also reflected in their relative price points, making AS Exclusive a pretty good deal if you like the lasts and models they offer.
     
  11. golfinz

    golfinz Senior member

    Messages:
    609
    Likes Received:
    197
    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2014
    Location:
    Texas
    Thanks! Got it all sorted out now
     
  12. wurger

    wurger Senior member

    Messages:
    2,887
    Likes Received:
    1,226
    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2011
    Location:
    Sydney
    subjective opinion, I like the 109, 99 and 724 lasts better than CJ lasts, they all fit me fine, I prefer the looks.

    objective opinion, can't find any difference in quality between the uppers of CJ HG and AS EX.

    The finish on the sole and heel is better on AS EX.

    Finally, it's readily available at a lower price including lasted trees, unlike CJ which you have to wait 2 to 3 months, and vendors always have good promotions.
     
  13. Tsujigiri

    Tsujigiri Senior member

    Messages:
    480
    Likes Received:
    120
    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2013
    Location:
    Orange County
    Thanks for the response! I'm actually really new to this and am looking to get my first pair of cap-toe oxfords, so would you mind explaining what about the AS last you like better?
     
  14. wurger

    wurger Senior member

    Messages:
    2,887
    Likes Received:
    1,226
    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2011
    Location:
    Sydney
  15. wurger

    wurger Senior member

    Messages:
    2,887
    Likes Received:
    1,226
    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2011
    Location:
    Sydney
    My Vass Old English Black in U last, size Euro 40
    Purchased from Vass, RRP 360 € ext. VAT
    Factory Topy

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]
     

Share This Page

Styleforum is proudly sponsored by