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The perfect tuxedo except for one thing...

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by shnikies, Dec 3, 2012.

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  1. Despos

    Despos Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Don't speak his name!
     
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    Mr. Bond cannot be wrong!
     
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    And he's not.
     
  5. TimelesStyle

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    Did you see the single vent on the DJ in Skyfall?
     
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    Oh, he most definitely can. See Skyfall, or any of Timothy Dalton's Bonds.
     
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    And don't get me started on his drink - no gin and he wants it shaken :wow:
     
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    The original Vesper was 3 parts gin to 1 part vodka.
     
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    How can a proper Brit eschew gin for vodka in their martini? Maybe a hint towards 60s counterculture?
     
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    I just received the PRL tux mentioned by stant62 and am considering it vis-a-vis the Hugo Boss Cary Grant. In terms of construction, the Italian-made, half-canavased PRL is superior to the Turkish, fused HB--as reflected by their respective retail prices of $1595 and $795. Since I got each of them for about $600 and the PRL fits better, the choice should be obvious--but like the original poster I am put off by the side vents...and the pocket flaps...and the plastic buttons. As several of you have already noted, I can have the vents closed and the flaps removed, but I'm especially perplexed by the buttons because (so far as I can tell) this DJ usually has grosgrain-covered buttons (SB + sleeves). It came directly from a RL distro center and, apart from the buttons and the vestigial model name "Fairbanks" (now reserved for RL youth tuxedos), it is indistinguishable from the Polo SB classic peaked-lapel currently for sale on the RL website. I suppose I can have the buttons replaced, but I worry about the integrity of the fabric given the weight of the thread currently attaching the plastic buttons. So my question is much the same as that originally posed: should I keep the PRL with the idea that I can convert it to a more conventional DJ or the BOSS, which is prêt-à-porter (albeit a bit shiny and stiff looking for my taste)?
     
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    The buttons are an easier fix than either of the others; no actual alterations are required. But as has also been stated, it's not "wrong" to have non-covered buttons on a tuxedo and RL does so on all of its lines; even a $5k+ RLPL tux will have them (unless made to order and specified otherwise).
     
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    Its going to be difficult to find fabric-covered buttons in the same fabric as the lapel facing.
     
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    He doesn't skip the gin just the vermouth, substituting vodka instead. An acceptable edit , the shaken part is more "controversial" :confused:
     
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    True, but I'm guessing you could get close enough that nobody could really tell the difference.
     
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    I disagree that this is an acceptable edit. It is such a departure; the vodka version does not even resemble the gin version.
     
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    Again, the gin part of the martini is the same, vermouth is not gin, that is what is substituted for vodka. It's called a Bradford martini. The vesper martini is quite flavorful, as it also include half a measure of lillet Blanc ( originally kina lillet) and lemon peal.
     
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    I see... I guess that is marginally better given how little vermouth people tend to put in their martinis anyway.
     
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    Just saying, even though I'm a pretty big Bond fan (the avatar is a giveaway), vodka martinis are a weak alternative. But, when you look that good, you can drink whatever the hell you want and pull it off. Even if it's shaken... :-|
     
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    Shaken isn't a big issue for me personally. I know non-cloudy cocktails (basically those not made with some kind of citrus juice) are supposed to be stirred to conserve the clearness of the drink. However, your cloudy, shaken martini or manhattan will turn clear again in less than 5 minutes.
     
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    It depends how you're built, but zero vents on a slim fitted jacket for me is a nightmare, to the extent I'm having a jacket with zero vents vented.
    If it concerns you buy a straight black jacket with a single vent, reconstruct it and have it silken (lapels, buttons and pants). It will cost more than $1000 (alot of tailoring) but you'll have your single vent.
     

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