1. CoolNickname

    CoolNickname Well-Known Member

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    I use the leather dressing from here. It did not darken my boots, although I have the service boot in the cordovan color. Call this number (800) 728-0970 and ask for Kevin (owner). He is very helpful, and will tell you whether his product or another will meet your needs. Make sure to send him a link of your boots.

    http://www.montanapitchblend.com/
     
  2. Sad Panda

    Sad Panda Active Member

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    thanks for your help & advice! Appreciate the link! I've checked out the link but I don't think they sell products for suede and I believe these boots should be treated like suede. (I've since contacted chippewa). I'm learning a bit more but it seems you don't really need to condition suede other than initial protection and cleaning as needed. I thought all leather would lose oils and need regular conditioning? Must be a diff leather to the service boot? Cheers
     
  3. Roguls

    Roguls Senior member

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    Forgo the mink oil and buy some obenauf's LP or Montana Pitch Blend. Hell, even Sno-Seal. You want beeswax in your boot dressing.
     
  4. Reginald Bartholomew

    Reginald Bartholomew Senior member

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    Anyone know if the wedge sole plain toe oxfords fit the standard Chippewa sizing? I'm a 9.5 in Kathadins, should I aim for a 9.5 in these?
     
  5. linafelt

    linafelt Senior member

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    I won't pretend to be an expert on the chemistry of boot oils, but I have used lots over the years on various boots. Obenauf's and Snoseal are pretty heavy and will darken the boot significantly right off the bat. If you plan to walk in snow or slush for hours on end day after day, then you probably want Snoseal. But for normal wear, I found yearly Mink Oil or so to work quite well with this leather. I know there are some questions about long term stitching rot or something, but I have to think that's overstated. It's what my grandfather and father used on their boots, which lasted forever. And again, my Chippewas lasted over 10 years with it.

    But again, I would say not to treat them right away (unless you are headed out into some intense weather), but wear for a year or more and let the patina begin to develop naturally. The boots will look "new" for a while, but short cuts to a quick patina are to be avoided I think.

    Just my experience...
     
  6. Sad Panda

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    Thanks Roguls, but this treatment isn't for a suede or nubuc type of leather is it? I have since contacted Chippewa themselves and they said to treat the crazy horse plain toe wedge as you would suede.
     
  7. Sad Panda

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    For anyone interested in what Chippewa said about how to care for the 6" CRAZY HORSE PLAIN TOE WEDGE (http://www.chippewaboots.com/footwear/original/general-utility/1901M18/ ) their reply is below:

    "For Nubuc or nap leathers such as 1901M18, we recommend that you treat this as you would suede. Use a soft brush or dry cloth to remove the loose dirt. Then clean the boot with a cleaner recommended for suede. Also, it is recommended that this type of leather be treated with a water resisting treatment made specifically for suede".

    cheers for all help and advice :)
     
  8. Roguls

    Roguls Senior member

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    Obenauf's and Sno-Seal will darken the leather, but will lighten over time. The treatment is called "dubbin". Both products are far superior to Mink oil and work with pretty much all leathers. Please research Crane's posts on the Wolverine 1000 Mile thread. Sno-Seal, Montana Pitch Blend and Obenauf's have anti-bacterial properties, which is key to hide health. The key is the beeswax.
     
  9. Sad Panda

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    Cheers Roguls! So just to confirm, do you recommend I treat these crazy horse Plain toe Chippewa's with Obenauf's heavy duty LP before I wear them even though Chippewa said to teat them like suede because they are a nubuc / nap leather? (They just arrived today). I will only wear them for street use, not in snow or mud or rain (beyond normal rain if it starts raining when I'm wearing them).

    I have purchased this product (~~ http://www.ebay.com/itm/310724314161?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649) and was assuming just to use the water repellent on them only.

    I had a look at the wolverine 100 mile thread, but it seems like there's a few threads? is this the thread you are referring to? http://www.styleforum.net/t/205531/wolverine-721ltd-shell-cordovan-1000-mile-boot-review/15 I noticed Crane mentions to not use on suede though? "I use boot oil and snoseal in combination with each other. After 35 years of dealing with top grain/bridle leather and Shell Cordovan it seems this combination works the best when it comes to keeping the leather supple and water proofed. Oh and do not do this to suede!!! It will destroy it."

    Thanks for your advice
     
  10. matthewh

    matthewh Well-Known Member

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    You may want to look thru the thread for the Katahdin Iron Works boots. (http://www.styleforum.net/t/144358/calling-all-llbean-katahdin-iron-works-boots-owners ). The Katahdins are made by Chippewa and have a similar leather. There's lots of good photos in that thread which show how the leather reacts to different treatments. Both Obenauf's LP and Sno-Seal are good products for waterproofing but they will change the look and texture of the Crazy Horse leather. Some people are ok with that. I have a pair and Katahdins and tested a small area with Obenauf's but didn't like the result. It takes away the textured look of the leather and darkens it. I've had good results using Bick 4. Its a conditioner that seems to provide a little water resistance but doesn't affect the look of the leather. My boots see mixed urban and outdoor use but no snow / backcountry stuff. My feet have stayed dry thru rain and damp conditions. The leather is not waterproof, it looks wet when it gets wet, but it dries and doesn't soak thru.
     
  11. linafelt

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    For fun here's a pic of my pre-Katahdin Chippewa engineer boots, next to Oak Street boots and Vibergs. The other two are pretty new in this pic, but the Chippewas are over 10 years old, with lots of wear, though not especially hard wear.

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    They started out much lighter than this, and as I've said for probably a couple of years I used no oil or treatment at all, and they developed a nice long term patina. Then mink oil once a year or so, or whenever I thought they needed waterproofing. As you can see, they look great even after a decade.

    I would second the thought that Obenauf's and Sno sneal are not necessary for these, unless you really are getting them wet and muddy all the time. And they absolutely will darken the leather a lot right off the bat. I would also not worry about preventative waterproofing for casual wear. This is a tough leather that will stand up to the elements and clean up well if you get caught.

    Also, I would not worry about treating them "like suede." This simply is not suede and is not as delicate as that.

    Anyway, we all have opinions...!
     
  12. matthewh

    matthewh Well-Known Member

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    FWIW, here's my first Chippewa boots. My dad bought these for me when I was a teen, circa 1980.

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    These boots saw 15-20 years of pretty much only outdoor use and abuse, hardly any pavement. Beside cleaning, about once a year I treated them with Mink Oil. The Mink Oil made them kind of soft over time and was never really great for waterproofing. I don't use Mink Oil any more, but these have lasted and the Mink Oil did a decent job of preserving them.

    They're a great pair of boots, just too small for me now. I don't think Chippewa makes anything like this anymore though. These are fully leather lined. Chippewa does still use the same brass hooks on some of there boots.
     
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    Thanks a lot Mathewh! Yeah a good thread, thanks. Unfortunately, quite a few of the older images have been removed but good info there for sure!. The Katahdin is pretty much the service boot yeah? Is crazy horse a colour or type of leather?

    Yeah, I don't really want to change the look and texture of the crazy horse leather. I love the look as it is. I don't need to do any major waterproofing either as its a urban boot to wear with denim. Sounds like we have similar needs, aesthetic and usage.

    Would you use the Bick 4 on my crazy horse plain toe wedge's when new and before 1st wear? or just as needed every year or so? I love that it doesn't effect the look of the leather! I just want the leather to last and not dry out. Any opinion of the Obenauf's Leather Oil? http://www.amazon.com/Obenaufs-Leat...UTF8&psc=1&smid=A1B7M9EQGNCLQA#productDetails

    Out of interest, do you have the same boots as me, or just a chipp's fan from way back :)
     
  15. Sad Panda

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    Thanks Linafelt! appreciate your help! Nice boot collection BTW :) Yeah, thanks for your thoughts. I agree I don't need sno seal or Obenaufs LP for what I'll be using them for.

    Yeah, it does seem strange to treat them like suede since them seem nothing like suede (although I guess a bit different to the leather on shoes I'm used to). Since I already own the suede water repellent, should I still use it before I wear them or do you think it will change the look too?

    Yeah, there's lots of different opinions on this subject. Also seems there's a bit of art to it all based on aesthetic taste and experience. Makes it quite confusing if you're new to it but are the kind of person who likes to learn a lot and do it right. Appreciate your opinion :) cheers!
     

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