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The Official Wine Thread

Discussion in 'Social Life, Food & Drink, Travel' started by audiophilia, Jul 20, 2009.

  1. Principle

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    Ah there was at least another bottle of that Balmoral...and some some mid-2000's Pinot's that were originally marked at like 40-50.
     
  2. Manton

    Manton Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I had my very last 2004 Lescalles last night. *sniff*
     
  3. djblisk

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    Any recs on a wine fridge?

    I only need a 12 bottler or smaller since the majority of my wine is in an offsite warehouse.
     
  4. Principle

    Principle Senior member

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    Paid for with a offshore bank account?
     
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    LOL I think I pay like 25/month for a 14 case temp controlled locker.
     
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    The pun is off the charts. :p

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    Good but a bit hot.
     
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    I meant wine locker. lol
     
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    Any thoughts on "Parkerization" of wine? How much do critic scores weigh in on your purchase habits, say against personal recommendations or 'democratic' apps like Vivino?
     
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  10. Manton

    Manton Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Parker definitely effed up Napa in a big way, and maybe irreversibly. Less so Bordeaux, though he has had an effect there, but I find his influence easier to avoid.

    As for scores, "crowd sourced" scores are close to useless because all wines are "91 points!". I do find that, from the critics, when there is a consensus above 95, 10-1 the wine is pretty damned good. The exceptions are overripe years such as 2003 Bord, which I find I don't like almost across the board, no matter what the critics say. Concentrated, yes, but very one-note.
     
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    Concealed,

    You just do it live and taste each region blindly? Or go for the pretty labels?
     
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    Insofar as Napa is "pricing itself out of the market?"
     
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    1. Yes, Parker did cause some issues but he wasn't the only critic rewarding those types of wines. The flying winemaking consultants made millions while applying their formulas all over the world, but in many old world regions they couldn't do too much damage because the terroir didn't offer them that ripeness all the time like you see in Napa / Sonoma.

    2. When critics are going crazy for a wine I have no problem checking them out because of that, but crowdsourced scores are useless. That applies to wine competitions where the "crowd" is a group of professional judges.
     
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    In a very broad statement Parker was both fantastic for the wine world and horrible for the wine world. He was fantastic as his voice did help improve the quality of wine world wide but he was horrible for the wine world in terms of homogeneity of style. Again, just a broad summary statement and also just my opinion.
     
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    I'm not a Parker basher, because as you say he was the best world wide ambassador for quality wine for 2 decades. There were too many wineries hiding behind the shield of "we make old world styled wines", instead of acknowledging that their wines were just not very good. Did the pendulum swing too far in one direction? Yes, certainly, but he also dragged a lot of wineries out of the dark ages.
     
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    This is pretty much my opinion too.
     
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    Is everyone here that averse to the crowdsource model? I understand that wine is nuanced, and the general population may not appreciate subtleties in the same way a som would, but just how different is this from having wine peers that make recommendations?
     
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    buy from a good importer, they do the work for you. Kermit Lynch, Rosenthal, etc.
     
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    While I agree with you I would submit this is not all that different than relying on a Parker to help pick wines. You know I think the world of Kermit but essentially, be it Parker or Kermit, we're relying on knowing a third party's preferences and trusting them to align with our own.
     
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    Here's the problem, statistically...

    Let's assume you really like big, huge fruit bombs, with a lot of oak. You look at the 90 point average for a wine and yawn. If you take the time to read through all of the notes from each reviewer, if they have even bothered to leave notes, you might find they look something like this:

    Review A - 98 Points, stunning, enormous gobs of red and black fruit, super ripe, with lot of vanilla and other new oak notes.

    Review B - 82 Points, over done, over ripe, over oaked, just terrible.

    and so on... until you get your 90 point average.

    Which is why when I am asked my advice, I tell people that yes, while it's great to have a reviewer who your palate aligns with in terms of overall point scores, it's better to have one whose notes you trust, so that you can read the review and decide by the description if you would like the wine or not.
     
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