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The Official Wine Thread

Discussion in 'Social Life, Food & Drink, Travel' started by audiophilia, Jul 20, 2009.

  1. indesertum

    indesertum Senior member

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    what're some good cheapie bordeaux?
     
  2. Concordia

    Concordia Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Not answering your question, I'm afraid, but this evening we popped the first of a case of Haut Brion '95. I'd sampled the Bahans from that year for a bit over 10 years ago, and liked it a lot-- this was a new ballgame, however. Not young, not too old-- just in its prime.

    For the cheaper end of things, it depends on what you mean by cheap. I've had some very nice Ormes de Pez from 2001 that didn't come at all expensively, although now it would be well over $20. There were a lot more options from 2000. One strategy is to look at Jancis Robinson's website after a really remarkable year, and cherry-pick some of the better cheap names. Parker, too, perhaps, if you tread cautiously. 2000 produced a lot of modest wines that outperformed, and I suspect that there will be many more from 2005, '09, and '10.
     
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    For the Canadians: Was visiting Vancouver last week and had a fantastic Okanagan Pinot. Brought a couple bottles back, but want a case. There's no US distributor.

    Anyone know whether law allows for Canadian shops to ship wine to the US? I'd assume I'd get hit with duties, but I might be willing to accept that cost.
     
  4. Manton

    Manton Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    regarding cheap Bord, i wish availablity were consistent from store to store, region to region, or year to year, but it's not. I don't know what explains it, but at the low end, turnover seems frantic. I almost never see the same stuff consistetnly with very few exceptions, including Greysac, Larose Trintaudon, and one or two others but even these are now closer to $20 than they are to $10.

    Basically, I just buy and sample randomly and then go back and buy up what I like. $10 is typically my floor and it's getting hard to find decent wine at $10, at least reds, but <$15 is still doable. I haven't really started drinking '11s yet and I won't as long as I can still get '10s and especially '09s

    Please note that this "strategy" may not work if you don't like cheap Bord, but I love it above all else.
     
  5. gomestar

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    my guess, which is probably wrong, is that this is due to the distributors. They see a good deal on a good quantity cheap AOC Bord, and they buy a bunch of cases on the cheap and then flip them to some stores that'll load up on them at the cheap (but overall a good profit for each side). The store then works their way through the 50 cases they had to buy, and the distributor looks for another solid deal, be it Rhone or Provence or whatever. A deal pops up, repeat. "What was that cheap Bord we found last year?" Who knows, it's deal by deal.
     
  6. Concordia

    Concordia Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    If you catch the barrel tasting reviews, you can sometimes snag something good in futures. In 2005 I got a case of very cheap halves from the guy who operates Cheval Blanc. The problem is that cheap vineyards are cheap for a reason. Either the land is second rate or management is not so hot, or both. So the combination of lucky factors that makes them hit above their weight in one vintage might not come about in the next miracle year.
     
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    patrickBOOTH Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    This is exactly what I do, find something good and buy a few cases. Chances are you'll never see it again.

    Big discount places like Warehouse wines are good places to try out cheap Bordeaux. You will likely try a lot of crap, but it's worth it because you'll find some gems.
     
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  8. Eric Michael

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    I'm not entirely sure on this matter, however some Canadian provinces operate with monopolies (ex. Ontario is LCBO and Quebec is SAQ). I'm not sure which province you're closest to (BC?) but you may want to investigate the liquor laws in whichever province you're looking to buy from. For instance, I don't think LCBO in Ontario ships to individual addresses, let alone the States. Could be different in B.C. though.
    Hope that helps.
     
  9. herfitup

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    I love cheap, good Bord. I've gone through almost two cases of 2010 Ch. Subilaux while waiting for my 2009 Ch Lannesan to mature. I found the Subilaux on a distributor deal my local wine shop had for 9.99 but I always taste a bottle before purchasing cases. They are also where I picked up the Lannesan futures. I used to buy a lot of petite Bordeaux back in the 1980s and Lannesan was one of the most consistent in good years. The prices doubled since the 1980s but that is good value now.
     
  10. Recoil

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    I was recently gifted a chunk of someone's private collection. There are many first growths and other rarities, but I'm trying to decide to do with a few things that are very low rated or possibly expired. Is there a market for high-wine wine that is well-known to have gone bad or been of poor quality? I see Parker rates a few things very low (89, 90 Mouton), yet the price is still estimated to be around $200 a bottle. I have have a vertical of 80s Mondavi reserve, many of which, aside from the 87, are low rated or old. Again, prices still list upwards of $100 a bottle.
     
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  11. coolpapa

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    Have you considered opening some of these and trying them yourself?
     
  12. gomestar

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    or the fact that some of the "very low rated" first growths are still expensive because they're still awesome wines.
     
  13. Recoil

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    Yes, I've had the 89 and 90 Mouton. You can read the reviews for yourself. My personal experiences were no better. Regardless, I'll put them up at auction and see if anyone bites.
     
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    Serious question: private individuals can auction wine in Canada now?
     
  15. gomestar

    gomestar Senior member

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    i can't remember the last time i read a wine review, maybe 4-5 years with thousands of wines tasted/consumed in between. Vintage overviews, yes, but not wine reviews.
     
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  16. Recoil

    Recoil Senior member

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  17. Piobaire

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    Recoil Senior member

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    Can anyone recommend a good wine discussion/buying/selling forum? I signed up with Wine Spectator forum but it's terribly antiquated and heavily moderated. I posted a week ago and it still hasn't been approved.
     
  19. Manton

    Manton Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Wine Berserkers is heavily active but everyone on there only wants to talk about Roumier Musigny and other 2-barrell, $5K/bottle offerings. Or so it seems.
     
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  20. Slewfoot

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    Wine Beserkers is the one to use. If Style Forum was an all wine forum that would be it. They talk about an array of wines, but their focus is on Burgundy, Piedmont, Rhone and older wines. The site came about when there was a mass exodus from the Robert Parker board when Parker started charging people to use the forums. There is a big anti-Parker sentiment on WB.
     

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