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The Official Wine Thread

Discussion in 'Social Life, Food & Drink, Travel' started by audiophilia, Jul 20, 2009.

  1. indesertum

    indesertum Senior member

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    Subscribed to burghound and got a personal email next day from Erica meadows who is the wife of Allen meadows the writer. Crazy service
     
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    This is probably a long shot but maybe one of you enthusiasts can help me out. When we were in Umbria we had a red from Montefalco that my wife really loved. I've had no luck looking for it, but do recall that the label had a drawing of the church in the town square of Montefalco (pictured below). Thanks in advance if anyone has any idea.

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  3. Cary Grant

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    any chance it's the Fidenzio Montefalco Sagrantino?
     
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  5. indesertum

    indesertum Senior member

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    would you rather spend money on a bunch of good quality village level wines or one nice bottle of wine

    i really want to try a les amoreuses from one of the more affordable producers like amiot servelle or groffier, but at that price i could be trying a few premier cru level volnays and pommards
     
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    gomestar Senior member

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    you're doing it wrong. Good quality village level wines are really nice bottles of wine. From a great producer, they are excellent bottles.



    "better designation, more affordable producer" is a total no, and this is where you'll get burned. It's also the hardest thing to overcome. We need Manton in here to talk about the Jadot Corton he got for $45-50 and the Bachelet "Bourgogne Rouge" he got for $40.
     
  7. indesertum

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    so you think if i buy a bottle of say les amoureuses i should be prepared to pay roumier, mugnier prices?

    since i can't try a bottle before buying it i've been going to by ratings and tasting notes

    i've been trying to buy value. like remmington norman and richard parker think lafarge's village volnay is basically a premier cru and i found a 2006 at a good price so i bought that.

    i dont know how else to go about this on a budget


    the other thing is i dont know if i should be buying grand crus or super premier crus. the available ones are never more than 10, 12 years old and i dont think i should be drinking grand crus that young. although i hear some vintages are better drunk younger
     
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  8. mordecai

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    THIS IS IT :happy:

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  9. indesertum

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    :D happy endings make me happy
     
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    Don't you live in a major city? You can find a different wine tasting every night of the week somewhere...
     
  11. indesertum

    indesertum Senior member

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    i'm in upstate ny for now. i try and visit a decent wine bar when i get down to the city
     
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    Ind-D, I foresee heartbreak in your future.
     
  13. gomestar

    gomestar Senior member

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    No.

    No.

    then listen to us.

    No. And i mean no to the ideas you state, not the generalizations.

    yes, but this should be the least of your concern.





    I'll get to this in a day or so. One must learn.
     
  14. gomestar

    gomestar Senior member

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    yes
     
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    My tiger woods fist pump gif won't upload. piece of shit forum.
     
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    so then what do i do? set a price limit and buy random bottles from select producers?
     
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    basically yes. Dennis Bachelet. Fourrier. Mugneret-Gibourg. Hudelot-Noellat. Ligero-Belair. Dujac. J-F Mugnier. Roumier. Rousseau. Chevillon. Drouhin. d'Angerville. Lafarge.

    a basic level wine from one of these will be superior to a Grand Cru from a no-name. It's up to you to live and learn, and you will, but it will cost you. The "but why wouldn't I buy a Premier Cru "Les Whatever" from Domaine Boner than this Bourgogne Rouge from extremely well established producer?? Better Cru is supposed to be better!!" is genuinely hard to get past. But you will, many $$ later.
     
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    Ok.

    i dont see better cru as better. echezeaux is supposed to be variable in quality and apparently les suchots can be better than an echezeaux from a poor plot. it just seemed to me that certain producers were known for quality yet didnt have the name and price of others.

    anyways, i think i'll just buy village and burgundy level wines and save better crus for better times. i recently bought a 08 vosne romanee from mugneret gibourg that i can't wait to try
     
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    To be obvious, the cru just indicates where the grapes come from. Says absolutely nothing about the skill of the winemaker. There are plenty of schmucks who have inherited little slices of grapes in a 1er or Grand cru vineyard who don't know or care about wine but just want to cash in. They might not even be good at growing the grapes, much less turning them into wine.

    Buy from a better producer, and even if the grapes are a wee, little bit less impressive in their provenance, the fact that that winemaker really knows and cares about what he is doing will give you a better experience every time.

    Besides, if you are going to drop the money on a really proper 1er or Grand cru, make sure you really know what you are getting.

    BTW, the Mugneret Gibourg Vosne Romanee is exactly what I am talking about. That is a *fantastic* bottle of wine. Granted, it is just as expensive as plenty of 1er or Grand Crus, but it is a village level wine that is better than 95% of the stuff out there.
     
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    As I keep saying, price is a fairly good proxy for quality in New World wine but it's a very poor predictor in Froggie wine.
     
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