The Official Wine Thread

[aravenel]

For the very cheap Rieslings, I presume you're talking about the Van Volxem and the Kellers. I've not had the Van Volxems, but have heard of them. They are in the Saar, and have heard it's a decent producer, though again, haven't had any.

Keller is a great producer, though a lot of his stuff is dry. The Von Der Fels is a good bottle, and a value on that list as it goes for around $30-35 retail. I'd go for the Keller over the Van Volxem, though again, the Kellers are dry, so if you're looking for RS, look elsewhere.

And yeah, the Lapierre Morgon is a great bottle. $200 is steep for it, but this is Per Se.

 

[itsstillmatt]

Last time I was at TFL we had a Morgon Lapierre. It was very good. I don't remember the price, but I think their wine list is slightly less offensive than the East Coast.

 

[hopkins_student]

Is wine marked up in the 3 star restaurants in Paris the way it is at Per Se and TFL?

 

[hopkins_student]

double post

 

[gomestar]



Is wine marked up in the 3 star restaurants in Paris the way it is at Per Se and TFL?

I couldn't comment about Paris.

but the wine list at Michel Bras is excellent and full of values (comparative values). I have yet to see anything as egregious as Per Se's.

when I ate at Daniel back in November, we (wife and I) spent maybe $500 for wine, but with that $500 included two glasses to start, a nicely aged (read: not a 2006) premier cru Burgundy that Slewfoot approved of, and a spectacular german riesling that was a half bottle.

 

[Manton]

as a general matter, prices on French lists are far, far closer to retail than here.

 

[ehkay]



Is wine marked up in the 3 star restaurants in Paris the way it is at Per Se and TFL?

It varies a lot, but nothing is quite as blatantly offensive as those lists. Gagnaire and Astrance have some stuff that is downright cheap, though Astrance has a lot of obscure stuff. I didn't end up ordering a bottle, but they ended up charging me a rather ridiculous 30 euros for a glass of champagne (Jacqueson 7xx), 2 glasses of wine, and some dessert wine ("just for fun," so technically comped I guess). The hotels, Ledoyen and Arpege might get closer to veering into US-type markups.

 

[gomestar]

I'll put it this way: the wine list at Bras had a bunch of Raveneau for maybe 100-140 Euro for a premier cru, and then a touch more for grand cru. I'll leave it up to you guys to browse the Ravenau selection at Per Se as it is quite nice. But you will pay for it.

The same can be said for Coche-Dury, especially the village level wines that were priced similarly to Raveneau.

 

[RedLantern]

Can anyone recommend a wine store in or around Monterey?

 

[itsstillmatt]

I know Manton has one he likes in Santa Cruz. If you are heading to Monterey from the north, you might want to check there.

 

[Manton]

The only really good one was in Carmel Valley and it closed. Very sad. There are three in Carmel Village but they all suck and/or are overpriced.

in Monterey city monte vista is probably the best

 

[kwilkinson]



As is, sort of, an altisino Brunello for $165.

That wholesales at like $46. If that's really a tempting price, that's insane. Their profit from wine sales in a month could pay my yearly salary.

 

[Manton]



That wholesales at like $46. If that's really a tempting price, that's insane. Their profit from wine sales in a month could pay my yearly salary.

look at the list. it's atrociously priced.

 

[kwilkinson]

I can see enough having read on past that post. I mean seriously those are ridiculous prices.

 

[Axelman 17]

Feedback on the list has been extremely helpful. Probably enough options to convince my dad not to BYOB a $50 left coast chard.