The Official Wine Thread

[gomestar]



What is the super tuscan route?

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[gomestar]



You are not far from the Modern on 52nd street. Not a wine bar but has a huge bar with a very well done (IMO, at least) selection.

I'd second this. Very good selections, and they'll usually let you try a wine before you buy a glass.

 

[Piobaire]

They basically ignore the DOC regulations concerning varietal requirements and today many of the top Super Tuscans have no Sangiovese (used to require X% of Sangiovese and then a minimum % of some of the other local varietals) and are basically Bordeaux style blends. Now, I've not had a top ST but we're talking some of the world's top wines. Sassicaia pops to mind. So I'm not saying this change might well not produce excellent wine I'm just saying a certain level of uniqueness might fall by the way side.

 

[patrickBOOTH]

And they also won't receive the AOC. This might mean the prices will be lower and you can find some awesome values within.

 

[Piobaire]



And they also won't receive the AOC. This might mean the prices will be lower and you can find some awesome values within.

You sure? If you're a typical US wine drinker you've probably never heard of Mourvedre, or if you have, it's in a GSM type style blend. Do you think this person is more likely to pull a Bandol 100% Mourvedre or a Parker 92 point Cab blend?

 

[gomestar]



Sassicaia pops to mind.

Sassicaia is a DOC

 

[Piobaire]



Sassicaia is a DOC

True today. Misleading to what I just posted though. Prior to being given its very own DOC in 1994 it was an IGT as it was being made outside of the DOC regulations.

 

[gomestar]

i don't see the "super tuscan route" as a bad thing at all. There's still plenty of old school producers making classic styled wines in Tuscany. One could even suggest that the rapid rise in the super tuscans elevated the quality of the traditional DOCG's.

 

[Piobaire]



i don't see the "super tuscan route" as a bad thing at all. There's still plenty of old school producers making classic styled wines in Tuscany. One could even suggest that the rapid rise in the super tuscans elevated the quality of the traditional DOCG's.

I'm not saying it is either bad nor good. I am saying it is the perfect example of formerly uniquely styled wines based on a locality chasing the "international style."

 

[Cary Grant]



i don't see the "super tuscan route" as a bad thing at all. There's still plenty of old school producers making classic styled wines in Tuscany. One could even suggest that the rapid rise in the super tuscans elevated the quality of the traditional DOCG's.

Yup.

 

[Cary Grant]



I'm not saying it is either bad nor good. I am saying it is the perfect example of formerly uniquely styled wines based on a locality chasing the "international style."

I don't see super Tuscans as chasing an international style, it was more about avoiding some prettying obscure rules that stifled evolution. In the hands of the right makers thy may have lost DOCG linguini lite but they made even better wines. There are many DOCG qualified badly made wines.

 

[AmericanGent]

Rascal Pinot Noir from Oregon. Amazing for $15.

I fell in love with the Willamette Valley while living in Seattle. They have great wines that drink like a wine 3x their price.

If you pronounce it wrong "william-ette" they correct you with "it's Willamette, dammit".

If I where going to bring a couple of bottles of US made wine to a friend in Europe, I would bring one of the WV pinots for sure!

 

[aravenel]

I need to try some more Oregeon pinots... The ones I have had have been overripe and spent too much time in new oak, but people keep saying there are great ones out there...

 

[AmericanGent]

Here's one I picked up for the cellar. Do not open until 2018!

 

[Cary Grant]

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I need to try some more Oregeon pinots... The ones I have had have been overripe and spent too much time in new oak, but people keep saying there are great ones out there...

some of the best wines I've had are Oregon Pints... That observe a more old world/burgundy approach.