Alan, those sound like great classic finds. I have some great camel hair v-necks marked Alan Paine--one even has elbow patches! And I absolutely love gingham. Is the H&K shirt from the good old days (when H&K was as good as anyone making rtw shirts)? Here's an attempt at a pic of the Paine. I couldn't get a good shot because it's so dark. It's listed as a size 44, but fits me fine. My recent Pringle sweater is a size 40 (my actual size) and fits about the same. Odd. The H&K is a Saks 'Made in England', and appears to be of good quality: I paid about $9 for the pair.