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The official thrift/discount store bragging thread - Part II (Return to the Thunderdome)

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by SpooPoker, May 18, 2015.

  1. Jompso

    Jompso Senior member

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    in fact the lvc 1878 pantaloon comes reinforced at the knee and seat, but then it's a pantaloon and not a 5-pocket jean...

    good lightweight (9 oz) denim will hold up just fine under rigorous wear no matter how many paragraphs we write about it.

    fact is most overalls and coveralls through the 70s are made of lighter weight denim. knees seats etc don't get blown out cause of anti-fit. other cotton twills are as light or lighter yet and give good work service as well.

    and anyways i beat the shit out of my denim working and living and don't baby it or worry about resale. i prize a nice vintage fade and wouldn't you know it happens like magic. i only wear stf, some i rinse, some i don't, i just go with the flow and it all works out. ymmv.
    I jsut dont see how, wwith the properties denim possesses, that bulges and fit issues and the like are not rampant on denim weight at under 10 ounces a square yard. I mean me ttoo, only unsaforized, but my average weighted denim or whatever is like twice as heavy as the denim your wearing, are they not just paper thin with easy bulged knees and seat? I seriously would feel naked wearing jeans that light.
     
  2. impuntura

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    We give way too many shits about denim.this is why Isis is winning.
     
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  3. double00

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    i dunno? fit plays a role, so does the quality of the staple fiber, the skill and care with which the yarn is spun and loomed. the earliest lvc stuff doesn't use cone denim incidentally, they use japanese fabric, i've no idea which mill.

    for lots of people the 1947 version of the 501 is the essential 5-pocket jean. as you say it's 12 or 13 oz raw so 15 oz rinsed etc. it seems a lot of modern designers use it and the XX fabric as prime references. for whatever reason the trend seems to be towards heavier denim and that's cool. i put mine through their paces and they don't last forever but clothing is ephemeral anyways and i don't worry about it too much. i think that's just part of my aesthetic haha. judge it as you like i don't mind.

    all i was getting at is that I'm personally more interested in the earlier fabrics as a point of departure. i think they have value and shouldn't be forgotten. that said, i'm way more interested in the future than the past. so these things are worth considering but there's no right answer afaik.

    also: in b4 frenchy (...whoops too late)
     
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  4. Jompso

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    in fact the lvc 1878 pantaloon comes reinforced at the knee and seat, but then it's a pantaloon and not a 5-pocket jean...

    good lightweight (9 oz) denim will hold up just fine under rigorous wear no matter how many paragraphs we write about it.

    fact is most overalls and coveralls through the 70s are made of lighter weight denim. knees seats etc don't get blown out cause of anti-fit. other cotton twills are as light or lighter yet and give good work service as well.

    and anyways i beat the shit out of my denim working and living and don't baby it or worry about resale. i prize a nice vintage fade and wouldn't you know it happens like magic. i only wear stf, some i rinse, some i don't, i just go with the flow and it all works out. ymmv.
    And also to add, my original response its length as well as content, none of that was intended as me trying to show your up or disprove your statements, or your opions, or simply telling your that naw your wrong its not good etc...

    I mean it was part me purely thinking...or wriitng....out loud to a certain extent making heads or tails or paper weighted denim back when denim was made purely for those who worked hard labor and necessary protection etc... And when i releazed the entire time your stating the 12 ounce cut and then I realize taht with that cut thatm means loomstate since that horrible treatment of denim called sanforization didnt exists yet, I kinda thought that I figured it out and that yea now I get it and stuff....But damn, 9 ounces...crazy....I mean i just love denim, my 14 ounce flat heads feel paper thin to me, love my heavyweights, I truly do love them, dunno why or how I got used to them, and they sure as shit taken some patience to break in, but nothing worth doing is easy, so fucking it, ill torcher myself for a month to have the best fitting jeans monoey can buy, no question. pure 22 oucn unsanforized in the one cut that is beyond perfect for my body however alway smade strictly with the IH flagship denim, the 21 ounces, which is always sanforized, and again, sanforized denim is aboutslutly ruined denim in my eyes, so those ones I posted droped I I showed up no later then 10 minutes after the doors unlocked.....

    I do have a quality question for you though however, does LVC source from Cone Mills? If yes, 2nd. Is it specifically loomed for LVC or is it Cone Mills Denim? 3. If answer of 2 is 1. Compare to another pair of eans so I have an idea of what were taking about. if answer is 2. Do you honestly feel that Cone Mills produces a denim that should be considered something of true quality?

    Ok Feel free to proceed at your leisure.....
     
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    Ok excellent, your preference and liking has taken a whole nother step into teh realm of my trying to wrap my head around and understand and such....I mean as far as like to pair the pieces true to the time and stuff, I definitely feel that, that's cool, and the fact that they haven't caved to the markets trendof heavier weight and alsostill solely offer the jeans of ceertain eras in the weight denim that they would have been in sold in during that period is defintely respectable and cool also....I just get caught up at Cone Mills, because Cone Mills Selvedge, in my eyes, is the same thing as perhaps Gap Cashmere?
     
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  6. Jompso

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    Actually no thats wrong and a huge exxageration......its just the same fucking 14 ounces loomed denim for every single american made denim brand in in every cut, in the country, whoch makes other things perfectly ovious, the quality of the denim, in reference to the cotton sourced fiber lengths and such etc.... No way its of anywhere decent like Texas or Zimbabawe (unless they actually source their own and own their own cotton feilds somewhere and if so I take that back, I don know what Im talking about as far as the basic fiber in which everything grows), and 2, if they are producing that much denim on looms that produce \that fabric sooo slow, althought I now a shuttle will produce irregularities with out question, I just have no faith in quality control, and I once just felt som e14 ounce cone mills that was sanforized and holy shit dude, I got the Chills, that was the worst denim I had ever seen or felt.
     
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  7. impuntura

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    Grenadine or just simple knit?
    I suck at the gren game...
    Also we give way too many shits about Grandine this is why ISis is winning.

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  8. Mr. Moo

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    Looks like 12oz sanforized gren to me
     
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  9. Jompso

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    ISIS is winning cuz everyone is seemingly having such a difficult time figuring out how to identify such a basic sillk weave. Or because they keep ordering Grens to rock in all their murder fits and stuff to look sharp, but their tie guy keeps sending them these....i.e. no this is woven silk
     
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    Naw if you look at the fabric closlely you can see it just a piece of silk fabric ontop of another, that has been woven, its a piece of fabric constructed of layeres of silk with a diamond weave.
     
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  12. impuntura

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    I loled....hard
     
  13. impuntura

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    So which is it.if it helps its a italian made BB
     
  14. Jompso

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    Answered yourself. An Italian Diamond woven silk Brooks Brothers tie. "Brooks Brothers Italian Silk Tie Woven for those who cant tell what GRENDADINE is, this is cheaper" Boom want royalties on that title
     
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    Just another slushy snow day in CO... First stop, I had some fun digging through a bin of 200+ pounds of ties...

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    Honestly because I truly do ejoy doing this, I will actually openly and without anything in return at all ever, would like to give you a very easy guide/way to tell if it is grandine or not. The tie like yours, if you look closely you can see that this isnt a piece of loomed silk, that it is a tie comprised of many differentwoven fibers in layers.

    Gren Fina or Garza is the way the silk is woven, so it isnt goign to be on a tie in layers and such like that, but unlike a tie that is designed with a woven silk all over it, grenadine is a silk that is in fact loomed into a solid piece of silk that is all woven and connected together in a pourously knotted type manner, so they may be thinner or thciker, but theyyll alway sbe soid silk
     
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  17. impuntura

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    Anybody?
    Anybody at all?
     
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  18. matty long legs

    matty long legs Senior member

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    Everything is available except the red RT BOC tie.

    Bean Boots. Cheapest ($6) and coolest ones to date.
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    RT BOC x 3, Zegna x 2, Bally, Ferragamo.
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    Italo Ferretti, Paul Stuart x 2, Peter-Blair x 2, Vineyard Vines, Canali.
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  19. capnwes

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    From what I gathered from Jompso's rapidly deteriorating posts....it's Purple.
     
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  20. Jompso

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    Good I'm glad you ignored my post, definetly what Wes said, way better explanation and now so you wont have to ask the question again... that you will ask again next or so.

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    Good looks, I coincendentally have quite a bit of gren silk in large bag at my feet and it is quite ready for nice little photo sesh.



    Well I mean.... I think it's all Gren...I know.... I'll just post a pic of each tie, everone,one buy one,indvidually, and ask, and don't worry, I promise, I will take no note of any efforts to help nor anything vaguely similar to an attempt to retain any informations provided, no point in doing that, I will just ask next week and just have the same done for me again. Thanks in advance guys.
     
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