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**The Official Shoe Care Thread: Tutorials, Photos, etc.**

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Mr. Moo, Feb 28, 2011.

  1. ace13x

    ace13x Senior member

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    Yes thats true. I suppose my comment should have pointed out that it (pricing as a percentage of MSRP) cuts both ways, and can be excessive in the case of very expensive shoes. Though in some cases they're labor and material costs will likely be higher than for more mass produced/moderately priced shoes.

    In other words, if I owned a bespoke pair of Lobbs, I wouldn't hesitate to pay quite a bit more to factory resole them than my pair of Allen Edmonds. [​IMG]
     
  2. Nick V.

    Nick V. Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    That may be the case for you.....
    I'm hearing more and more that the cost of factory re-crafting (not all but several and, I don't care to mention company names) has gotten beyond what customers are willing to pay.

    Gets me thinking, are those companies being short sighted? I ask because there are those customers that will stop buying a specific brand because they can't get their shoes re-crafted by the factory at what they consider a reasonable price.......Are those customers going to competitors, buying less expensive footwear?
     
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  3. ace13x

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    To be clear I don't own bespoke Lobbs. But If I paid upwards of $4000 for a pair of shoes made to a personal last, the math gets a bit more friendly towards paying more for factory resole. The AE's, I can wait for a sale and grab for about half way between the cost of AE's Standard Package and full MSRP if that was my desire.

    As you point out I'm sure there are some makers where the lines get very blurry.
     
  4. benf

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    There's some discussion a couple of months back on the G&G forum about factory re-crafting v local cobbler. Even owners of high-end shoes find the factory prices indignant. Personally I plan to go the factory route for my C&Js (and definitely for EGs and G&Gs). Though I may request oak bark soles for my BG C&J. My 2c worth.
     
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  5. benf

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    The general view amongst owners of G&Gs (I've a few) is that
    - brushing is important
    - conditioner is to be used sparingly (ie not every time)
    - cream is better than wax
    - some only use wax to create a mirror shine

    Frequency depends on:
    - quality and type of leather
    - finishing
    - amount of wear

    Hope this helps.
     
  6. RogerP

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    Really? I find EG and G&G calf leather to be very receptive to pigment and thus I rarely use the more pigment-laden cream waxes in favor of colored paste or neutral cream.
     
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  7. benf

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    Roger, I stand corrected. What I meant was neutral cream
     
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    Ah - understood and agreed.
     
  9. Xyst

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    Does anyone know where I can purchase Redenbach soles and heels online in the US? My current cobbler does good work and says if I bring in the soles/heels when it's time for repair he can put on whatever I prefer.

    I've been able to find one place in the UK that can send them to me, but shipping is pretty horrible. I believe anywhere in country would be preferable.


    Thanks gents.
     
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    Question seeking answer:
    Hi, I bought a pair of oxfords and found a defect. But I'm not knowledgeable about its severity. Should I return them? If I keep them should I have them fixed now or later?

    The problem is caused by the small stitches on both sides at the bottom of the lace parts near the throat of the vamp. As they are close to the edge the leather is ripped.

    Thank you

    [​IMG][​IMG]
     
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    My guess this is on purpose. I would imagine they don't really want to devote resources to re-crafts.
     
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    patrickBOOTH Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Return.
     
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    DWFII Bespoke Boot and Shoemaker Dubiously Honored

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    Only answer.
     
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  14. Nick V.

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    Although I was never told this directly (by any reliable company sources) many customers have been sensing this ^.
     
  15. ace13x

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    I believe AE's CEO has stated that re-crafting is not very profitable for them. They seem to be combatting this by offering deep discounts regularly that makes replacing vs re-crafting a real consideration to the consumer.
     
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    Then sadly this undercuts their very selling point. Why sell a resoleable shoe at all if they want their customers to replace? Short-termism: they are going down the path of JM and Florsheim.
     
  17. ace13x

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    Well to be fair, I don't see it quite that way. What they're doing is making the option of replacement more appealing, at least to those who know to look for the sales. Instead of refurbish for $125 or replace for $395, you might want to consider replace for ~$230-270 range and sell your old pair on eBay further closing the gap.
     
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    I beg to differ. They offer these discounts to the general public, not targeted specifically at people who are looking to resole their shoes.

    Plus if the shoes need a resole, then I don't think they would fetch much on eBay

    Plus one of the reasons I opt for a resole is that it's more environmentally friendly
     
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    Just a thought. I have 16 pairs of shoes, many of them very good quality. On the whole, though, I would probably prefer it if I had bought 4 pairs of top quality ones.
     
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  20. starro

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    Quite frankly I don't personally see much of a point in the factory refurbishment, assuming you've been taking care of your shoes. So maybe on that point I'm for the shoe companies fazing out refurbishment.

    Brush, polish, and condition; get a competent cobbler to take care of the soles and heels; and let the factory do what it does best: make new shoes.
     

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