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**The Official Shoe Care Thread: Tutorials, Photos, etc.**

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Mr. Moo, Feb 28, 2011.

  1. benhour

    benhour Senior member

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    i am not referring to Bally products in general but at the specific pair!! in that pair the sole is cemented on the upper!
     
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  2. manasdirge

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    you are right we should refer to the shoes pictured here, now that I can see the pictures properly, I can see that the stitches on the welt(connecting the welt/middle sole to outer sole), but I can't really tell from the pictures above if this is a goodyear/blake-rapid construction or glued product, here are several scenarios I can think of:

    1, Is the upper completely seperated from the sole? if yes, than maybe it's glued (re-glue it then) or a machine GY-welted which the cement canvas part connecting the welt and the insole have failed(can be resoled).

    2, if the upper is still attached to the sole by stitches you can't see from the outside(only the outer rim of the upper is seperated), you can check the insoles for stitches, if you see stitches penetrating the insole, than it may be blake/rapid construction(see pic below), resoling a blake-rapid shoe may be troublesome for local cobblers, and I don't know if it is necessary.

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    3, if you can't find this stitches, well you may still need to find a cobbler and see what he can do.

    @ceboots, my 2 cents.
     
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  3. patrickBOOTH

    patrickBOOTH Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Are there stitches in the welt, or is it decorative? I have had this happen with blake rapid shoes. Nick at B Nelson fixed it.
     
  4. patrickBOOTH

    patrickBOOTH Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    My friend just posted this pic to Facebook...

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  5. garland

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    Looks like a proper goodyear welt on that one.....
     
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    That's cement construction with bondwelt.
     
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    Take them to Nick Nelson.[​IMG]
     
  9. chogall

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    Nah. Its cemented. No heel seat or welt.
     
  10. chogall

    chogall Senior member

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    Or just use shoe goo to glue them together.
     
  11. Zapasman

    Zapasman Senior member

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    I rather wear those without the outsole; sachetto driving shoes.
     
  12. eljimberino

    eljimberino Senior member

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    When you see the plastic grid on those soles you wonder how anyone could wear them in the first place.
     
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    [​IMG]
    may i have a question about the proper fit?
    how much free space at the heel would be considered reasonable while standing, and pushing the feet forward without too much effort?
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  14. chogall

    chogall Senior member

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    2mm. Nothing visible from afar.
     
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    [​IMG]
     
  16. DWFII

    DWFII Bespoke Boot and Shoemaker Dubiously Honored

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    If the shoe is laced up snug...not tightly or to the point of being uncomfortable, but secure...almost by definition the correct answer is "little to none."

    What purpose does any gap there serve?

    IMO, what it indicates is a poor fit...in the long heel if nowhere else.
     
  17. Stemo79

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    I have quite a curve between my heel and ankle, as a result I often find I have a small gap (at least at the top of the shoe) with most shoes. If this then means that the shoes don't fit properly then how many styles do I have to disregard before finding a "perfect" fit assuming that one even exists without going bespoke?

    I think the answer is "if the shoe is comfortable and your foot secure then a small gap is perfectly acceptable".
     
  18. DWFII

    DWFII Bespoke Boot and Shoemaker Dubiously Honored

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    "Good enough for government work."
     
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  19. Munky

    Munky Senior member

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    With respect, DW, you are sometimes a bit harsh on the 'fit' issue. Given that many of us can't afford bespoke shoes, we have to do what we can. With there being a huge range of feet out there, it's always going to be a compromise and there is always likely to be a 'best fit possible' issue.
     
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  20. DWFII

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    What would you have me say? The OP asked about "proper fit."

    Some people..."doing what they can" end up with toes that are jammed against the interior end of the shoe. Is that an acceptable "compromise?"

    There are lot and lots of people here that will talk nicey-nicey and avoid introducing doubt, much less thought (God forbid!), into the discussion.

    Sorry to disappoint...reality intrudes...I don't think I'll ever be that kind of person. To me, the truth is just so much more interesting and challenging.

    That said, if the truth is unpalatable, just ignore it...many do.

    edited for punctuation and clarity
     
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