**The Official Shoe Care Thread: Tutorials, Photos, etc.**

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Mr. Moo, Feb 28, 2011.

  1. MisterFu

    MisterFu Senior member

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    I was going to ask the same question. Why is renovateur or any cleaner/conditioner (I occasionally use the AE cleaner/conditioner) a bad idea?
     
  2. DWFII

    DWFII Bespoke Boot and Shoemaker Dubiously Honored

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    No, the "black" is just old scar tissue. It takes the dye differently.
     
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    chewbocka Well-Known Member

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    Appreciate the response, thanks!
     
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    It's not.....actually, it would be my suggestion. If I were pitching I'd say Crème Universelle or Renovateur, because I'm biased. If suggesting, I'd say any decent Balm is more than a good idea (balm = conditioner = cleaner/conditioner....they are all variations of the same theme).
     
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    Sure it does.....to what degree would depend on the leather, it's finish and condition. And to a lesser degree your own unique environment.
     
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    I second this, infact I'd say Reno and Creme Universelle is one of the best if not the best products around. Just because someone somewhere says its not good for their own peculiar type of leather makes it junk.

    I'm using paste and waxes from Bergol, Saphir, Collonil and Boot Black just about every kind, while each one is a good product and if I had to choose it would be Saphir hands down.
    Higher pigments, higher wax xontents, better spread/coverage and rich natural lustre...
     
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    The thing is these oils and waxes are non-polar substances. They just kind of hang out on the leather rather than bond to the protein fibers. Leather protein fibers have a positive ionic charge and the fatliquors from the tannery have a negative ionic charge so they attract each other. Over time the the fatliquors evaporate and the leather fibers stick together, become abrasive to each other and eventually break. Things like water on leather only makes this happen faster because the relatively neutral ph of water is above the isoelectric point of the protein fibers thus shifting them to ionic negative repelling the fatliquors. Oils and waxes are uncharged so they just sort of linger. Of course they are better than nothing, but essentially are just like Ron said, making your shoes "look" better, but aren't doing much as to benefiting the protein fibers on the inside.
     
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    Munky Senior member

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    Now you are just showing off, Patrick! [​IMG]
     
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    Does it make any difference if I'm wearing an ion bracelet on my ankles?
     
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    patrickBOOTH Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Aside from damaging the ozone layer, probably not much. :)
     
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    patrickBOOTH Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I'm not showing off, just rather being honest. People don't like to hear these things though. Wrenches thrown into people's tried and true products and methods is always greeted with denial and hate.
     
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    So are you really saying that I shouldn't rub my shoes with Dom Perignon?? I will sue Olga!
     
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    patrickBOOTH Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Actually, that's probably not that bad for your shoes as wine is on the acidic side, the natural state of the protein fibers. Of course the other constituents in the wine will stain the leather.
     
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    nothing
     
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    Easy tiger! I was being comical. No one really thinks you are showing off. You know more than pretty much any of us. Although "Wrenches thrown into people's tried and true products and methods is always greeted with denial and hate is a bit of a complicated metaphor and a bit strong!. Let's hope there is no wrench throwing! All the best, as always, Munky.
     
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