**The Official Shoe Care Thread: Tutorials, Photos, etc.**

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Mr. Moo, Feb 28, 2011.

  1. benhour

    benhour Senior member

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    cordovan cremes by their definition have to be more gentle than cremes for calf skin!! less solvents -more oils so not to damage the smooth surface of cordovan( thats why when you use cremes for calfskin on cordovan you make it dull, you take out some of the wax infused in cordovan at tanning-making progress)
     


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    jd13jd13 Senior member

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    Crat, as I am a shoe shining newbie, could you explain the how you fixed the high heel damage?
     


  3. Munky

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    Benhour,
    I think that Renovateur does contain turpentine. It certainly smells as though it does. Are you thinking of the Collonil cream? You recommended this to me and it has no turpentine and no smell.
     
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    Isn't Crat from the UK? If so, that would explain it. Wind blown storms pass from the USA across Ireland - where water droplets become infused with a magical Irish property - before raining upon mainland UK. This is especially true around Christmas time. Only this water + wax will produce the finish you see. It might sound unbelievable, but I have documents, data, and an eminent scientist ready to back it all up. If you want to match Crat's mirror shine, you'll simply have to move country.

    I hope that helps someone.

    Lear
     


  5. patrickBOOTH

    patrickBOOTH Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Benhour, Reno does contain turpentine, Collonil does not.

    DW, when you use water to last shoes, or as you stated above smooth out some wrinkles and such do you use water straight from the tap, or do you use distilled water? My understanding is that water itself isn't horrible for leather as much as the contents in the water contributing to the perception that water is harmful to leather. Just curious really on the use of tap vs. distilled in the shoemaking process.
     


  6. DWFII

    DWFII Bespoke Boot and Shoemaker Dubiously Honored

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    PB,

    There could be something to the idea that hard water...with minerals in it...would have an effect. That said, I have not ever paid much attention to the idea. None of my teachers/mentors did,none of their teachers did...time out of mind. I suspect it's somewhat beside-the-point. I do put a drop of liquid dish soap in to break through the oils and waxes on the surface of the leather.

    The Bick4 is a great lubricant for the bone. And a conditioning agent that will slow down the evaporation and movement of the water.

    All that said, when you use water to last (or chase wrinkles), you need to either be all in or dern careful esp. with light coloured leathers. Otherwise you risk water stains--which come not from the water but from residual tanning agents and dyestuff. When I last boots they're fully soaked. When I last shoes I just spritz the flesh side of the vamps.

    BTW, I don't know how Crat approached it, but boning out the scratches and smoothing the leather, as I described above, is a good first step when you have damage.
     
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    patrickBOOTH Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Ok, here is where I admit my further ignorance… I hear flesh side and grain side all of the time, but I have no idea what the difference is as it is all flesh, no? :confused:
     


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    My understanding is that flesh side is the side that faces inward, towards to "meat," if you will. Grain side is the side that faces out, what we would see on the animal.
     


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    patrickBOOTH Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    It should be called "muscle side" or "bone side". I think I will start this tread just to irritate DW and his shoe historian friend. ;)
     


  10. DWFII

    DWFII Bespoke Boot and Shoemaker Dubiously Honored

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    NakedSnake has it right.

    And if you want to call it "bone side"...I'll know what you're talking about.

    Don't worry about irritating me...the fact that you asked for more information...that alone...gives you anti-irritation points, big time. It speaks of genuine-ness.
     


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    patrickBOOTH Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Trust me, the cracking on my Elgins is not from wax and does not come out from buffing.

    I hope to put AE Leather Lotion on them tonight to see if that helps. I already feel bad for leaving them wanting for this long.
     


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    patrickBOOTH Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Doesn't Elgin make watches? If you are wearing them on your feet that must be why they are cracking. :confused:
     


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    I just polished over it tbh, method in sig.
     


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    it's like seeing myself quoted to me as an answer to me!!! hahaha

    Munky yes Collonil cream has no turpentine in it as i have said you in the past!!(officially from Collonil ,as the official reseller importer here is a friend of mine)!!

    Renovateur has no smell of turpentine at all(you can take turpentine from an artist shop and smell it) and if you see the official shite instead of all the other products where is mentioned that it has turpentine as a natural solvent at Renovateur there is no such state
     
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