Thanks for all the input. I'm basically looking for just a conditioner with very minimal cleaner in it. Reno is great but does take some finish off (not as much as AE's cleaner/conditioner), that's why I was thinking of the #2 Neutral cream. Prior to Reno, I used Meltonian's leather balm and I recently purchased Saphir's version and want to see if it's similar. It's still a cleaner but hopefully milder. I guess Venetian is another option. Thanks for all the feedback.