**The Official Shoe Care Thread: Tutorials, Photos, etc.**

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Mr. Moo, Feb 28, 2011.

  1. laufer

    laufer Senior member

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    in before David starts quoting 11 step approach :D


    NeedStyleHelp, there is only one answer for you you, you need to experiment. You were right reading this thread causes headaches but that is because shoe care is more art than science. So you have two pair of shoes start experimenting using neutral cream on one, the pigmented cream on other and see what results will be and then report to us. That is the purpose of this thread.
     


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    Working for a living us interfering with my keeping up with this blog.

    I have rarely used cream. Can't seem to avoid it rubbing off on my pants. I know j need more work on this.

    Mostly Reno then wax, with touch ups of Reno
    now and then.

    BTW also did an old briefcase on Reno to restore it, and when it gets wet it gets blotchy too. Will stick with lexol from now on (me and you Patrick)
     


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    NeedStyleHelp Senior member

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    Thanks for the tip, laufer!

    If you don't mind answering, what is the difference between the saphir neutral cream, and the rennovateur?

    Appreciate it!
     


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    laufer Senior member

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    Honestly I do not know anymore :)
     


  5. patrickBOOTH

    patrickBOOTH Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    A lot of other kinds of oils including mink oil and a lot more shea butter. Ron Rider's blog had a lot of the ingredients a while back. Reno is more conditioning, in a nutshell. Allegedly at least.
     


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    Munky Senior member

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    Does anyone else react badly to the inclusion of turpentine in Saphir products? If I use them in the house, I experience sore eyes, dry mouth and olfactory problems. Typically, my sense of smell is affected for quite some time after using the products and I can 'smell' turpentine for a long time after. My hands are also made very dry by the products. The only way to help sort out most of these problems is for me to use the products outside. Given that I live in a cold, dark and wet country, this is not always practical!
     
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    turpentine (distiled from pine tree) is used as a solvent to the wax's!some other brands uses naptha(i think is more agressive)! renovateur,cream uneverselle ,napa mdo cream polish has no turpentine in them as far as i know!!

    i never had any problem with turpentine and believe me most of the time i polish my shoes it gets through the cloth ,on my hands!!no dryness no skin-eye iritation!! i dont think the problem is on turpentine! maybe combined with the cold weather it makes your hands dry!!
     


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    patrickBOOTH Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    There are some pretty bad effects one can get from long term exposure to turpentine, but I haven't had immediate affects.

    Reno and wax and cream polishes by Saphir do have turpentine in them. The only one that doesn't is the shell cordovan cream and napa mdo. Other shoe polishes use predominately naptha like Ben said, and also stoddard solvent, which is much more harsh.
     


  9. benhour

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    Patrick i searched a little about it!! you are right on the first one!! you have to be exposed to turpentine for really long time to have sideefects but nowhere mentioned immediate ones!! never had any problems with it!! maybe munky you are a little more sensitive to that!!

    renovauter is Aqueous formula(mentioned at valmour-AVEL site)(if i remember correctly from chemistry course at university that means no other solvent) !!there is no turpentine in it,havent found anywhere mentioning tha it has !!btw cordovan cream has turpentine !!
     


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    patrickBOOTH Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I think you are incorrect, Ben on Reno and Cordovan Cream. The whole point of cordovan cream is it doesn't contain turpentine because they claim it makes shell swell. They include neatsfoot oil in its stead. You might be confusing shell cordovan cream with the color cordovan cream polish. I don't think Saphir calling reno an aqueous formula has anything to do with proper chemistry, I think it is just their way of saying it is creamy and not solid. I am 99.9% sure reno has turpentine in it. If you go back to Ron Rider's posts he asserts the turpentine is what makes Saphir products stand out.
     
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    Are you sure? I see that AFPOS says it contains it, while Hanger Projet says it does not.
     


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    I think a lot of these sites just say things without being well informed themselves. To the lay person fancy words woo and wow them. I am 99.9% sure I am correct on all of this. Maybe somebody can PM Ron for more info.
     
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    Thank you both for these useful comments. I have understood, for some time, (as Patrick has said) that Reno, Saphir cream and polish all contain turpentine. It is that, I would imagine, that gives them the strong smell that they have. Without other members, here, describing the 'side effects' that I experience, I now wonder if I am experiencing an allergy to turpentine. However, I have read about similar problems to the ones I described, on pages to do with the use of turpentine by artists. Also turpentine has medical applications.

    I think it is time for me to buy an extra-large umbrella.
     


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    'A Fine Pair of Shoes', who supply most of the Saphir products, here in the UK describe Saphir Reno, wax and cream as containing 'Natural Turpentine Oil'. I appreciate that they may be wrong, but if they are, they are consistently wrong, in that they mention NTO so often in product descriptions!
     


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    i dont think avel-saphir will tell to anyone of us the ingredients of renovateur especially when this is their best selling product!! i cant be sure!!! the only thing i can say is that turpentine has a really caracteristic smell!!if you take a turpentine jar from Winsor&Newton(i paint from time to time hahahaha [​IMG]) and smell it you ll see it smells like wax and cream polish of saphir!!this smell covers every other smell!!

    now if you smell renovateur and cream universelle(renovateur is a little stronger) you ll see they smell the same!! and no trace of turpentine's smell! and watching the "aqueous formula" i tend to believe there is no turpentine in it!!! ofcourse and i cant be 100%sure cause i dont make this thing if Mr Rider could ask Avel about that it would be enlighting

    ''You might be confusing shell cordovan cream with the color cordovan cream polish'' i am refering on the product i post a link below!!
    i cant be 100% sure on these things cause i dont make it!!![​IMG] the only thing i can post is what the oficial reseler here sawed me and i have seen it on an other sait sells saphir products!! i have never used it so icant say if it smells like turpentine or not!!
    - CORDOVAN CREAM POLISH - An all-natural cream polish based on beeswax, turpentine, and carnauba with six other nutrient waxes and twice the amount of pigment of ordinary polishes. The cream polish has a higher concentration of pigments than other polishes and is exceptional for restoring finishes and achieving soft polishes. It is the perfect treatment for your cordovan leather shoes. Apply by massaging gently into the leather and polishing off.
    refering on that http://www.avel.com/product-details-cordovan-cream,436

    that is totally true and agree 100%

    edit: i was remembering that i have already read about it in this thread in the past and seartching for it and just found it!!! is on page 93!! it says what i said in that post! renovateur doesnt have turpentine and cordovan has but in lower amount than the cream 1925 mdo of saphir
     
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