**The Official Shoe Care Thread: Tutorials, Photos, etc.**

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Mr. Moo, Feb 28, 2011.

  1. guasc1

    guasc1 Well-Known Member

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    Good morning,
    I will do a bit of research in the last few pages and see if I can find something.
    Thank you,
    Max
     
  2. David Copeland

    David Copeland Senior member

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    Hello again . . .

    And you asked about NYC stores for Saphir products:

    B. Nelson Shoe Corp
    140 East 55th St.
    New York, New York 10022
    Phone: (212) 750-0818


    Nick (who I have spoke to on the phone) noted that a Saphir Shine costs $7.00 - which can be a great value.

    As for creases - I have been able to "remove" - so to speak - the appearance of most of my creases on Allen Edmond Sanfords (1999 vintage) by going through a more rugged routine of Saphir products (the 5-step process) that Kirby at Hangerproject advises on his tutorial. Creases are there - but less noticeable. I was after that out-of-the-box matte look, and was able to achieve something a lot pleasing to the eye.

    B Nelson also sells the Saphir products too. But you may wish to just try one of their professional Saphir shines first.

    All my best to you,

    David
     
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  3. David Copeland

    David Copeland Senior member

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    Another source for the monthly routine of polish and maintain:

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    "THE GEAR YOU NEED

    1) Saphir's Renavatuer is the heralded jack-of-all-trades. It cleans, conditions, shines, and protects.

    2) Cremes provide color and conditioning. Generally you should try and match the color of the creme to the color of the shoe, but brown shoes can use darker (even black) cremes. The darker pigment gets caught in the seams and gradually deepens the patina in a pleasing way.

    3) Wax provides shine and protection from the elements.

    4) The hardware: a polishing brush, applicator brushes, a shammy (chamois), and a rag.

    5) Take out the laces

    6) Clean your shoes off with a rag. Don't forget to hit the soles.

    7) Apply a very light coat of the Renavateur to the entire shoe. Make sure you coat the soles as well - this is perhaps the most important and overlooked part. Let the shoe dry for 30 seconds and immediately buff with your polishing brush.

    8) Pick the appropriate color creme and apply to the shoe in a circular rubbing motion using your applicator brush. Put a heavier coat on any scuff spots. Give the creme 2 to 3 minutes to dry. While you are waiting for the first shoe to dry, apply the creme to its brother.

    9) Buff the first shoe with your polishing brush. When finished, attack the second shoe

    10) Now, apply a light layer of wax over the entire shoe with a circular rubbing motion using a rag. You can put a heavier amount on the heel and the toe. Wait for it to dry.

    11) Buff well with your polishing brush

    12) Place the shoe between your knees, grab your shammy and buff. This generates heat, which helps seal the wax and builds up the protection. Use the same shammy for your black and brown shoes. Over time, it will build layers of oil from the polish, improving the patina you can achieve.

    For the Mirror Shine, continue with:

    a) Place a few drops of water on the toe, and buff with the shammy

    b) Apply another light coat of wax to the toe, and buff with the brush

    c) Place a few drops of water on the shoe, and buff with shammy.

    d) Continue this routine until you are satisfied."

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    After reading the above - which appears to be a 3-step process - Some would suggest to use the MDO versions of the Saphir products. (The 5-step process would include Saphir RenoMat, followed by perhaps Saphir Dubbin for the Vamp and lower rear sides (requires a 2-day drying period) - and the final touch of Edge Polish.
     
  4. Numbernine

    Numbernine Senior member

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    I just went back to the first three pages of this thread and i belive all questions on basic shoe care should be refered to read them .It is a wealth of basic info and relevant links
    just sayin'
     
  5. benhour

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    and if you achieve a mirror shine with that process i am an astronaut!!
    btw it is renovateur(french word) and not renavatuer!!! in english is renovator

    david can you stop reposting things that other people have already said in here and pretend that this is yours and you know what you are saying?

    7) you put renovateur on the soles? are you f kidding or you pretend that we are all idiots here?

    8) i have said that 4-5 post back!! probably you dont know at all what the f you are saying!! when i said 3-5 minutes i was refering to wax not paste polish!!

    12) yes use the same at the black shoes and then use it on the brown!! where you have seen that?the only thing you ll do with that is to put black polish on your brown shoes!

    dubbin is not for all the kinds of leather!! pls stop posting things that is b........
     
  6. guasc1

    guasc1 Well-Known Member

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    Good evening gentlemen,

    These are 2 pictures that hopefully show enough of the damage that my 0 care treatment caused to my patent leather shoes.
    Some of the creases have actually cracked.
    There must be something I can do... I am too fond to these shoes to let go!

    Thank you,

    Max
     
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    David Copeland Senior member

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    "No" is my answer to the first part of your question.

    As to the second part, I prefaced my suggestion that I am not the author - by stating in my post the phrase "Another Source . . ." )


    I certainly know how to spell renovateur, my friend. But again . . . it was a "quote". And as such I chose not to correct the source's spelling.


    Perhaps you should take up your complaint with the original author . . . who appears to have photos to prove his commentary. Have you tried it? Or did someone kick you dog today? [ wink ]


    Again, if you are directing the vulgar remark toward the author - then I suspect that is your personal opinion. On the other hand, I have spoken to more than one reliable source (and have read others) where they recommend polishing at least the portion of the unworn area of the sole between the heel and where the wear of the sole begins to show wear. I have also seen businessmen sit in chairs either with their shoes propped up on their desks or with their legs crossed in such a manner where the soles of their shoes represent the same extraordinary care they provide the upper portions of their shoes . . . and I have seen the opposite where dried dog-dump appeared to be near the inner portion of the sole at the heel.


    What part of the sentence " . . . perhaps Saphir Dubbin . . ." did you not read or understand?

    All my best to you, including a safe weekend,

    David
     
  8. DerangedGoose

    DerangedGoose Senior member

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    I finally grabbed a pair of suede shoes (AE amok), because my entire life I have known suede to be a nightmare to maintain and almost impossible to clean once stained.

    Can you gentlemen point me in the direction of a highly regarded suede protector so I have to worry as little about these shoes as possible? And aside from the pretreatment protector, what is regular maintenance for suede?
     
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    Most people quoting "a source" would cite what that source was or at least provide a link to it. Lets readers know you're not just making stuff up
     
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    lets clear up some things!!! for your consideration i was shining shoes professionally for about 6 years(in the army and for earn money for my college) so i think i can have an opinion about these things!

    you post things you just have found on the Internet without knowing if these things works!!

    if you have read all the posts in this thread (i am sure you didn't) you would have seen that i posted a lot of pictures with shoes(army boots-to calf holecut's) mirror shined by me and not just something a "source " said somewhere in the outer space!so yes by using a brush you cant achieve a mirror shine that can be justified by everyone here not only me!brush is scratching the wax surface even the lamps wool!

    BTW in the pic you have posted the left jar is not the renovateur MDO we all talk about here ,this the basic product line of saphir !! if the picture is from the source you are saying there is nowhere a mirror shine on the shoes!! now either he doesnt know anything about mirror shine or you dont!

    at the end because you probably take a lot of things from Kirbys hanger project just ask Kirby to say to you if i have wrote a tutorial on how to mirror shine your shoes for his site and he just correcting the spelling and some phrases because i am not a native speaker!he is a great and friendly guy and a very good bussinesman so i am sure he ll answer to your question! (look the picture on high gloss vs matte patina on his site to see the picture with the mirror shine i thing all your thoughts ll be answered on ''if i know what i say about mirror shine"!!

    with regards Benhour
     
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    There has been a great deal of childish bickering , name calling , and generally low brow alpha manuvering on this thread lately . I for one am beginning to find it a real
    drag .I will refrain from any direct references but you know who you are and if you dont that is truly a sad commentary
     
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    +1. This posturing and I know better than you is getting a little old and being a little middle school mentality. At the end of the day, this thread is also part of the internet. Everyone, can express their opinions. It is up to the readers to accept the advice or reject it at their own risk. It is only professionals like RIDER and a few others whose advice I tend to follow without being concerned about it being a mere opinion of an anonymous person.
     
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    I do get a kick out of the patterns. On a fairly regular basis, an individual will pop in here with question after inane question. Within a week or two, that same person is answering the next new guy's inane questions with information gathered from his own questions the week prior. The process completes the circle when the first individual starts debating the merits of shoe care with the guys who answered his questions in the first place.
     
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    I promise I wont be that Guy. I just really want to know what to pretreat my suede amoks with
     

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