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**The Official Shoe Care Thread: Tutorials, Photos, etc.**

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Mr. Moo, Feb 28, 2011.

  1. MoneyWellSpent

    MoneyWellSpent Senior member

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    You may change your tune when your shoes start cracking too...
     
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    patrickBOOTH Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    My 8 year old shoes that got mostly Lexol treatments are still going strong. Others that in the past 2-3 years got the reno treatment that we all know and "love" are cracking.

    Reno on everything but the vamp before you polish. Lexol and cream polish on the vamp.
     
  3. Snaporaz

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    Don't get me wrong- I'm curious to hear more, too. Expensive shoes, plus diligent (and expensive) shoe care shouldn't lead to cracked leather.

    I'm just a little sceptical as Saphir, and Renovateur in particular, seem to have such great reputations...
     
  4. Snaporaz

    Snaporaz Active Member

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    Why not cut the Reno out entirely? Just use the Lexol?
     
  5. MoneyWellSpent

    MoneyWellSpent Senior member

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    Wow, 2-3 years is quite a short period of time. Are you sure that there aren't any other variables to consider? I don't use Saphir products, so don't take my questioning as support for them.
     
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    patrickBOOTH Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    You haven't been around long. Trust me. Mind you my cheapest pair of shoes is $450. Not exactly garbage.

    The fact is, most Saphir products have questionable ingredients. Questionable by people who make shoes and work with leather. What do most of these people use? Lexol, and Bickmore. There is a reason for that, many of us, myself included ignored this, and I have been reaping the consequences.

    Don't let the marketing hype fool you. Plus, there are a lot more people new to the shoe care game who have very little observations at this game. I have collected many and at this point I am dropping the kool-aid because of said experience. Than again do what you want.
     
  7. MoneyWellSpent

    MoneyWellSpent Senior member

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    This is very true, and I know exactly to whom you refer.
     
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    patrickBOOTH Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Because reno gets some polish off, but not a lot. Lexol messes the finish and I am not really concerned at all with conditioning non flex points on a shoe, I want to maintain those parts shiny. They just need to be "renovated" and primed for another small layer of wax.
     
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    I wish there were, honestly. My newest renoed shoes were also part of a larger rotation. So it even meant I was wearing them less than the older ones at the time. Wearing less, getting a different treatment, began cracking.

    Honestly I think their polishes are probably fine to use sparingly and away from flex points. I will continue to use them for everything but the vamp, except for a bit of cream polish in the vamp.

    Also member Isshinryu who posts vintage shoes in great condition doesn't use Saphir and his shoes are decades old. Just sayin.
     
  10. kayjaybee

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    Interesting...do you just buy a 3-liter bottle of Lexol for the next few years? What creme and wax products do you prefer to use?
     
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    patrickBOOTH Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Saphir cream and wax sparingly.

    I buy Lexol now by the 50 gallon drum. I bathe in it every saturday night.
     
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    What is the make and model of each set of shoes? What type of leather?
     
  13. Snaporaz

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    Thanks. I didn't mean to suggest that your shoes were garbage (or that you hadn't cared for them). I suspected quite the opposite, hence my surprise at the cracking.
     
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    I also heard this before. I think Reno has more turpentine solvent than other products. I use Venetian cream, which appears to have less turpentine and more wax and get great results with it, although I use it only occasionally. I'm curious about Lexol, does it work well on shell?
     
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    Hi guys,

    Rainy day here in DC. Anyway, I have always had this problem with my AE fifth avenues. Whenever it rains, the left toe cap looks hazy and gnarled on the leather. This toe cap has always been a problem since I received the shoes (1st quality). Since then, they have never taken a shine on the toe cap, and always look cloudy and dried out. I don't think this is fixable, but if it is, how can I fix this? If it is not fixable, what caused this? Thanks in advance.


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    And just FYI: these were both in the same amount of rain. Note how much healthier looking the right hand shoe is.
     
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    Very interesting PB. I went through my first jar of Reno pretty quickly (about a year), as I basically started using it as my 'one stop' treatment. But I've not replaced that Reno as I started to worry that the continuous 'lifting off' of the existing finish could not be good for my shoes in the long run. I went back to using a product intended for conditioning only (Saphir Leather Lotion). Presuming that it has less solvent in it. And indeed it lifts off far less color/finish than Reno.

    I still contend that Reno is probably a very good product - if used as intended - for occasional use to clean and renovate the finish. But I don't believe that the constant application of a product intended to strip/clean is a good thing.

    Unlike you, I have no empirical evidence to support my thoughts - but given that your shoes provide some evidence I'm willing to jump on the bandwagon.

    Personally I'm sure that I have any problems with the Saphir products in general - when you can might you elaborate on the 'questionable' ingredients please?
     
  17. Al in Philly

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    I too would like to know this.
     
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    Another thing to consider is that, from what I have read, Alden "treats" the shell they receive more extensively than other manufacturers.
     
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    All calf, Corthay, G&G, C&J, Paul Smith. So a range of $450 to about $1,700 after taxes.
     
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    patrickBOOTH Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Essentially turpentine and mink oil. Mink oil less so, but some believe it isn't great for leather, at least what companies call the substance they label "mink oil". Apparently nobody uses actual mink oil.

    Even the consistency of reno is more like a neutral polish than it is a conditioner. It sits on top and doesn't sink in.
     

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