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Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Mr. Moo, Feb 28, 2011.
he does patina very well. but that shoe shine is nothing special.
i am not reffering in the shoe shine! yes its not something special!! i am reffering to the process how to eliminate crease from the shoe!i just borrowed his video to show the before-after of the crease!!the process is from a berluti video in a history chanel docimentary about shoe history!
stirling it is obvious that you dont know why they took that part of the horse!! just to inform you shell called only the part of the leather of the female horse (not male) uper from his tale and at the back legs!its is very hard and strong to handle the presure and the force of the stalion male horse when he grabs the female one!thats why it is supossed to be one of the best leathers for shoes ,for his durability! probably you dont know with what you are working with these years!!the process i told you is from a berluti's video i have seen for shoe history!!! i think you clame that u are better than their 118 yeas of expertise???? pls quit beeing a noob and pathetic!!!probably you have no manners at all! i am sure your 2 little friends ll run to ''help" you !
I don't think anyone is going to discredit an individual for their language gaps if they are earnestly trying their best to communicate, and aren't being rude, brash, or disrespectful. Oh, and you know how you end by saying "learn some manners please"? Well, hold on to that.
^no manners. You insult him by calling him a noob and pathetic, those aren't manners. If you're as mannerly as you claim, you wouldn't insult him... see how that works? "Probably you have no manners at all!", that's oxymoronic. Which is funny, but, also very frustrating to see you come in here and insult long-standing members. It's like a pecking order - you don't walk into a new club, insult the captain, and expect to be scott free.
All of your grammar and typos aside, that's just bad form. No one discredited you because of how you spoke, but now your'e going to be ignored, no matter how insistent you are, because you're insulting members instead of just saying something mannerly like "sorry, I think we're having a problem communicating, I just meant to show how those creases can be erased. And hey, fun fact, know why shell cordovan is called shell?". Instead, you play "guess the random fact" trivia to try and determine someone's knowledge in a specific field. Bad, bad form. That's like me asking a chef: "Do you know why eggs are called eggs?!?! I bet you don't! And you are a fool for not knowing this!". It's just plain bad form.
son of saphir was ridiculed for a long while...
Nicely said, benhour. The people I choose to read carefully as I follow this thread, and other forums as well, are those who express themselves with all the qualities that are associated with gentlemanly behavior. While you may have strayed from the gentlemanly path in a couple of your recent comments, you did so after being directly provoked. Accusing you of "trolling". Indeed!
I might question something someone says because it conflicts with something I've seen earlier or elsewhere, but I need to perform my own due diligence. Ad hominem attacks are worthy of one thing only--disdain.
he started isulting me and sorry i am not christ to turn the other chick!! he could say i think you are rong and discuss about it!! he start "quit troling"! probably you havent seen the post before from him and his 2 friends calling names and other things like learn to speak!! because he and his friends are here before me they are not unmistakeble! he called me troll i called him noob! he clamed i dont know i just prove the oposite!
i really dont like to talk like that but when someone is rude to me i cant be polite and i am really sorry for that!
finally when i post something here i have tested my shelf for more than 10 times to be sure its working because i know that here are people who know a lot more things than me!i studied financial management engineering i am not a gobler so i cant tell how a shoe is made off !!
but really when i have tested something and know its working i cant see someone call me troll and what i was saying is crap and just look at it!!
I have took the the effort to read all 189 pages of this thread.. very useful, but all the information are too spread out so here's my little summary and questions on how to proper care of your shoes.
It seems that Saphir is a commonly used product here as it do wonders. So I will stick to Saphir products
After getting a new pair of shoes
1) Wear for a day to get the creases out so when you can avoid applying polish over the creases to minimize cracks. After wearing, put shoetree on.
2) Before polishing, remove any dirt/particles from your shoe using brush/damp cloth
3) Condition your leather using Saphir Renovateur, apply using fingers/brush/any fabrics onto the shoe and then brush them evenly IMMEDIATELY. (how much renovateur to use depend how moisture you want your shoes to be). A) Do i need to wait for the conditioner to dry before brushing?
4) SImilarly using Saphir Cream MDO that suits the color of your shoes, as the cream contains more pigments and oil than wax, it's alright to put more cream depending on you and then brush them evenly IMMEDIATELY. B) After brushing, do i need to wait for the cream to dry before i polish them?
5) Apply Saphir paste polish onto the toe-cap and heel if you want them to shine using brush/fabrics and wait for them to dry, before buffing them. Otherwise Saphir Cream MDO is sufficient for maintenance of your shoes. C) To mirror-shine them, do i have to put a layer of polish and buff, then put another lay of polish and repeat? or do i put a few layer of polish, and then do a final 1 time buffing with polish/water?
Could you tell me if any of the steps seems wrong and also answer my questions A), B), C)?
And also as i stay in a tropical country, the weather here is humid and always rain, so is there any addition thing that I have to do such as moisturizing the leather sole due to contact with rain water?
thanks for your effort for answer my questions! appreciate it!
first of all welcome!!
3) dont over do it with the renovateur!!i
4) i use one time cream and one wax(for more shine and waterproofing a little bit)!! see whats suits you best!
A)personaly i wait for about 3-4 minutes before brush!!
B)mean buf them? or put wax on them? in both cases my opinion is to wait 3-4 minutes for the cream to dry a little bit!
C)i do something similar to the first method u said!my opinion is that u have better results that way!! kirby will post a tutorial in his site about how to mirrorshine shoes so do a little patience
for the sole i put some oil to prevent water soak in but i am not sure if it does any difference
hope i helped you!! welcome again!
it's difficult to pretend, when you're native speaker...
well, "only" when you know how to use it properly and the leather quality allows it. carry on.
New to the forum and shoe care and have read 158 pages of this great thread so far...thanks to all for the great info.
I have recently purchased a S/H pair of Church's brown brogues and have started to try to restore them.
First of all I would really appreciate some help in identifying the leather - is it polished binder or calf? Not sure if you can tell from the photos..
Secondly I am having some issues with the toe shine. So far I have used renomat to clean, 2 coats of Reno to condition, 4 coats of Saphir cream in brown, and then begun the brown wax on the toe.
All was good until the wax, at which point I get some water marks appearing on the toe where the very little bit of water I am using hits the leather. I am getting some polish build up and shine around these areas but just the dull stain mark in the area. That was last night, so I left it to dry overnight and this morning its looking better but still shows on both shoes as a dull and unpolished patch in the shiny toe.
It would seem to me that the shoe is absorbing the moisture, despite the layers of cream.
Has anybody seen this on brown shoes and what I am doing wrong here?
Should I carry on and try to polish these dull spots now they appear dry (or will the spit simply wet them again) or do I have to start again and clean all the wax off?
Any help much appreciated.
So with that, i have to get quite a few brush isn't it? 1 dirt brush, 1 brush for renovateur, 1 brush for cream polish, and lastly 1 brush for wax polish? total 4 brushes?
or i could use 1 universal brush for all the process brushing?
On top of that, after the application has dried and i have to do gentle brushing to even out eg. the cream/wax, will brushing too much results in the removal of cream/wax?
the ideal for me is to have one brush to clean the shoes, one brush for renovateur/neutral polish(cream or wax), one for black polish(cream or wax) and one for brown polish(cream or wax) preffere horse hair brushes!! they ll shine your shoes better! i use a more bristl brush for the cleaning!! you can also buff your shoes with a microfiber cloth!
the heat prodused when you brush your shoes will do the work and they ll shine!! my opinion is brush till you see your shoes shine!!then you are ok!! (its quite impossible to remove the cream/wax if you brush gently!! ofcourse if you brush at the same area (like toe for example) with a lot forse for 15minutes you ll destroy all the polish work you have done! specialy if you have mirrorshine your shoes never brush them at the mirrorshined are!! it ll sratch and destroy the mirror effect! hope i helped you in your first steps !!
I wish there was somebody who could take out all of the bullshit posts in this thread and just have processes and results and such. It seems every day somebody new comes along and asks a question that has been answered 40 million times and every dickhead with an opinion jumps in. I think this thread would be a lot better with some curation. Just sayin.
Since we put flushed metal toe plates on our nice shoes, what do you guys think about metal heel plates (flushed, of course), at the tail end of the toplift?
Is that even possible?
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