The Official RRL Thread

Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by whodini, May 21, 2009.

  1. sm31

    sm31 Senior member

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    Yeah, I got my stuff, mostly.

    I see one of two possibilities with jimmy:

    1. straightforward fraud
    2. that he got himself in a bind that he's having problems getting out of

    If the latter is the case (and I think it is), then he needs to own up to that with relevant people, and figure out how to resolve this ASAP.
     


  2. RRL CLOTHING

    RRL CLOTHING Senior member

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  3. Rayson

    Rayson Well-Known Member

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    Somebody's sent a mail saying I should put up more evidence. Understandable, especially if you've had a smooth transaction. Even William might admit he has plenty of money that belongs to other people and that he won't be sending out their clothes. He also says he won't refund the money, at least for six months or something. I can't detail every lie (and potential lie) he tells, but the eight people I know about who are owed money are sceptical of him. I assume the mods here can look into our PMs and have seen Will's comments to people go from "I placed your order", even "your stuff's in the post" to "your stuff's not coming and I won't give you your money back" - or won't repay at least for months or whatever. Maybe he paid for people's stuff on credit when one (!) of his PayPal accounts got locked, then collected more orders to pay for the first lot in the gamble PayPal would unlock that account and that money would cover the second batch. He's told people that two of his PayPal accounts (!) are locked, but it appears only one at the moment. Even if you take the view he mostly just ran into trouble then felt he had to lie etc, none of it exactly stacks up and it looks like he's trying to get away with stuff on top of that, but who knows what's going on exactly? The only thing to bear in mind is that he's lied too much and has a lot of money that isn't his. The bottom line is that believing him and sympathy have left us fools and without our money. And yeah, I pick some scenarios of how he potentially ended up in this predicament and still feel sympathy! That isn't the bottom line, though. No matter how confused it is or becomes in terms of sympathy or anything else, please return to the bottom line. I don't know how much each person is owed. I'm in for $290, which isn't much compared to others but is a lot to me. I don't know how much everybody is owed and won't say what I do know, but it's obvious it totals thousands. I will list people who are owed money so I look less like an isolated crackpot (it's unrealistic for me to shoulder all this and I trust nobody has a problem with it - I posted on the thread because we discussed that somebody had to):

    Dave_SFU
    dmashita
    ffatt
    lagsun
    NorCal_1
    Rayson
    reydogg23
    TV2177

    Manfred, there'll be plenty of your sort of view, it's just whether people bother to express it. I didn't know JF's deal involved deceiving RL, I have no idea how these discounts work, but that's by the by. Every deal in the world involves deception in one way or another if you want to look at it like that but there's a difference between something like downloading an album illegally to see if you want to buy it, getting more of a discount on some clothes than you should (a discount that still isn't enought to prevent a company turning a profit on it) and stealing thousands of dollars from people. It could've gone wrong for you, so you're as much a potential fool as anybody.
     


  4. RRL CLOTHING

    RRL CLOTHING Senior member

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    I think the record companies would argue that last bit.
     


  5. edubs01

    edubs01 Senior member

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    Sorry to hear that peeps got screwed by JF. I will admit that I was skeptical at first but figured it was worth the shot. I did eventually get everything I ordered and was even thinking of placing another order but once he said money orders only I just didn't feel comfortable. I spoke to him several times on the phone and he seemed to be a stand up guy. Last week he messaged me and asked me to remove all posts referring to his proxy service.
    I hope everybody gets back what they are owed. It is a shame to see stuff like this happen.
    JF - stop being a pussy and man up homie.
     


  6. Rayson

    Rayson Well-Known Member

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    I know some people in the record industry and they broadly tolerate it as a promotional tool! But yeah, most don't and that really is by the by.

    Thanks for your advice to people. It is all ridiculous from the point of view of "I gave a load of money to somebody I met on the internet called Jimmy Fingers and guess what? He won't give it back!" Ah, well.

    Nine people owed money that I know of now.
     


  7. jsoo24

    jsoo24 Senior member

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    guess i'm lucky the only thing i got from him was the pink pony card. only lost $8
     


  8. Dave_SFU

    Dave_SFU Senior member

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    He owes me $475 since Sept 27th plus that pink pony card he asked for donations for but did anyone ever get?

    I was told at least 3 times my order had shipped and every time i asked where it was i didnt get an answer. Now im told he cant pay me for 6 months. Only one of his paypal accounts is locked btw it seems, the other is open. Didnt he claim he was quitting RL in two weeks anyway when he started doing this? And he was taking money order orders well after telling people he couldnt refund their paypal payments
     


  9. Dave_SFU

    Dave_SFU Senior member

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    Neither here nor there but as a dude who runs a record label, I dont have much of a problem with people downloading off the net. Its 2011, you cant stop it. It does help the bands. The only thing i dont like is when a record leaks before its release date.
     


  10. randomkoreandude

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    yeah he said he worked for RL and was going to use his last 2 weeks to take advantage of his employees discount
     


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    I'm one of the foolish 9 still out of luck as listed by Rayson. So far it looks the following received at least some or all of their orders:

    Manfred Freitag
    sm31
    edubs01

    Anyone else want to add their names to either list?
     


  12. tv2177

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    i received partial of my order, but still there are missing orders and i have been waiting for them since end of September.
     


  13. Rayson

    Rayson Well-Known Member

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    I really hope people are OK with me naming them: somebody who got in touch recently has asked to remain anonymous (somebody else has got in touch too, which makes ten now).

    The address and phone number I gave, by the way, is for Jimmy Fingers aka Will (Wlliam Frank) Reese. It's his family address, also his dad's consultancy address. OK, it is horrible that it has come to this and I'll try not to clog up the thread too much.

    7027 Blue Sky Drive
    Locust Grove
    Georgia 30248

    (678) 519-0026
     


  14. Dave_SFU

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  15. Manfred Freitag

    Manfred Freitag Well-Known Member

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    Indeed, I never meant to suggest I am immune from being a fool. I was also one of the people manipulating those RL codes that were posted in order to order my Lindricks and some other stuff. Codes that probably were specific to some other consumer. So in two instances recently I have participated in buying at a deep discount with a method that was never intended for me. It went well. I can pretend that my victim was just some giant retailer that has enough margin to still turn a profit at 50%, as rationalization can support anything from a new pair of selvedge up to and including Auschwitz.

    And had it not gone well, I would certainly be pissed at Jimmy Fingers, or slightly irritated with RL for not honoring my manipulated discount. On the other hand, as was said elsewhere, I did send $$$ over the internet to a guy named Jimmy Fingers. You buy the ticket and you take the ride.
     


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