Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by whodini, May 21, 2009.
by rrl stores you mean non-outlet?
OK guys, I love the aesthetic of the RRL line but have trouble paying the amount on the price tag whenever it says Made in China. I know the bags, denim and leather are mostly made state-side, but it's the made in China stuff that gets me. I guess in my mind, Made in China = Quality Control Problems and I'm all about buying less, but buying better.
So, sell me on RRL Made in China stuff. I'm not looking to be caustic about this and start a debate or an argument or anything like that. I'm just asking you guys to help assuage the issues/hang-ups I have with buying stuff made in China, especially at the RRL price point. Are you paying for quality or for branding with RRL made in China because I'm like NAMOR on this; I buy for quality, not because Jay-Z or whoever is wearing it.
what kind of stuff did you see? any jeans, chinos or overalls?
naples is good. never been to the one in key west. there's a great polo outlet in DORAL that typically has lots of PSR and RRL accessories you don't typically find elsewhere (cufflinks, dog tags, handkercheifs, gloves) but you better get there early because drizkid and hananasi clean it out daily.
It's all up to the buyer (in this case RL). I only have the Made in China RRL shirt, and they have been holding up well so far.
Polo have a lot made in China stuff as well, the ones goes to Macy are horrible, the ones goes to the Mansion are ok to good, I assume the made in China for black and purple label are good (also remember med tier made in italy really means made in italy by chinese worker these days).
Probably will need to wait until someone else to chip in as I only have the shirt for < a year.
all i have to say is, if Coach can ask $1000 for a handbag made in China and Diesel is coming out of Morocco I don't have a problem where RRL comes from. Besides you know Chino is a Spanish word translating as China or Chinese. Pants of such a fabric gained popularity in the U.S. when veterans returned from Asia with their twill military trousers. So RRLs large selection of Chinos being made in China actually adds to their authenticity...
If that still doesn't convince you, you can always just stick to the Jeans which are well priced at MSRP considering the amount of work that goes into distressing them, made in the USA using quality Jap selvedge.
Yeah, that's just a tu quoque argument that really doesn't have any basis for what I'm talking about. I'm addressing the made in large factories by underpaid workers often subject to dangerous work conditions when I mean Made in China. I'm well aware of the history of the chino and it would be one thing if the RRL line was saying, "yeah, these $200 chinos are hand-made by Chinese artisans who have been making chinos for a 100 years so we want to make sure they get a fair wage," but what I gather is that the case is more the former than the latter. Like I said, I appreciate the aesthetic of RRL, I just want to see the breakdown of the cost and how much is going into QC and the wages of the worker versus how much is lining the pockets of corporate RL.
I've stated here several times before that I find the quality of RRL made in China items to be excellent. To me, they seem to have very good quality control. In terms of quality, it has never been an issue for me. Politics are up to the individual; but you didn't ask for an opinion on that, anyway.
they had some jeans. mostly 34 to 38 waist. a few pairs of weathered chinos, no overalls. a few sport jackets, some outerwear, a bunch of henleys, a few womens flannel tops. i picked up a harris tweed coat, navajo sweater, 2 henleys and some jeans. might roll back through there tomorrow on the way to Ohio.
well then you're just ignorant if you think every factory in china is an underpaid, dangerous sweatshop. you think factories in the US don't exploit and neglect illegal or immigrant workers? Buying clothing or goods just because of some inherent prestige or higher brand cachet associated with it's point of manufacture is pure badge snobbery.
Does the Ralph Lauren store in Chicago have any RRL right now? Going to be in CHI tomorrow, thinking of hitting it up.
dig through their balance sheet, and you can "possibly" back it out for some "average" number.. you can never find that out those exact number for any product regardless where. Even the manufacture themselves would have to dig hard to be able to somehow find exactly what % of overhead and % of per quantity goes to QC alone for example.
Most of the made in china textile are made near the coastal area of China. In that case they're better paid compare to the rest of South East Asia and wages have been going up for a while now. I have no idea about working condition, but most of the well known abuse are coming from tech manufacture (not child labor in that case, just over work labor). The only reason people haven't moved to Vietnam or Cambodia in masses is because China has better infrastructure, and can produce larger quantities faster, and probably "better". I.e. they specialize in that particular production technique and will squeeze every last drop to find rooms to improve, lots of small factories compete against each other.
I don't know what's the child labor situation in China though, textile is probably more susceptible than other kind of manufacture.
In the end of the day the only question I would ask is am I paying the "right" price (in my/your mind) for the quality. To me that question can only be answered by comparing to peers. If a similar product cost more and have no better quality, then I see no issue picking made in China even if that means RL makes a lot more.
Well, you're not going to get that info, neither do you know what workers' conditions are, nor do you have reason to suspect that there are dangerous conditions at all.. But even if a RRL commisioned Chinese factory worker is making 3 times the national average, BUT RL is still making mega profit, is there a problem with that?
Otherwise, when in doubt, don't buy.
Thanks for the response in terms of QC; and I agree, the politics of it are up to the individual and I hope I didn't come across as trying to demonize anyone for buying RRL.
I will say one thing though and then stop because this is veering dangerously into the argumentative side of things (not where I wanted it to go).
But, I do find it ironic though that a brand, which has its aesthetic roots in western heritage wear, is mass-producing pieces in large east-Asian factories overseas in what may be exploitative conditions. Seems to be the absolute antithesis of what heritage wear is and stands for: a product that is made with collective pride and integrity on both the part of the designers who come up with the pieces and those who produce them. But who knows, maybe the Chinese workers there do feel that sense of pride and are compensated fairly for it?
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