BTW am I the only one that feels an urge to do a DIY project when you see really old repro jeans? I have been thinkin about making a pair of jeans for a long time, but I'm not the best sewer, and the little experience with sewing I do have, doesn't extend to making my own pair of jeans. I have been collecting denim and other vintage fabrics for a long time, but I still haven't made anything noticable. I think I have everything I need; denim (and other twills, hickory and canvas), rivets (brass and copper), thread, zippers, cinch backs and buttons. Plus some machinery a good, solid Pfaff and a Singer 29K leather sewing machine. Paul, where can I find a good jeans pattern?