Tee, try out the 501zxx in raw instead. I have nothing against pre-faded jeans, but nothing beats fading them yourself. If you are too lazy to do so, then there are some washed 501z's floating around. Thanks for the recommendation, but I'm already running two raw denim projects ( APC PS and Somet 018 ). A third pair would be overkill. I definitely want the painted "Pitchfork" wash... Can you assist me regarding the sizing matter ?