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The Official Hair Thread

Discussion in 'Health & Body' started by APK, Mar 16, 2011.

  1. patrickBOOTH

    patrickBOOTH Stylish Dinosaur Dubiously Honored

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    A lot of interesting chemistry going on in high quality salon products.
     

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    Can anyone recommend a good men's shampoo? I'm looking for one without all the crap ingredients like sodium laureth sulfate. I don't think I want silicone in it, either. At the store, they all seem to have the exact same things in them. Thanks! [​IMG]
     

  3. bumblehair

    bumblehair Well-Known Member

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    Free&Clear awesome shampoo and conditioner. You can usually find it at Walgreens, the manufacturers website is below. https://www.psico.com/product/free-and-clear-shampoo/
     

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    Thinking about getting a side part pompadour type of look.

    Anyone else out there currently rocking this style? Any recommendations on styling techniques or products?
     

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    OmniscientCause Distinguished Member

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    I rock a side pomp/detached undercut hybrid and I use lush dirty and Baxter clay pomade. But everyone's hair is different.


    I need a hair cut though it's far too long on the top currently. Goes down to my chin and when it's up/back it hits 3/4 of the way back of my head.
     

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    I did a side part undercut pomp recently when my hair had gotten long, and I found I got the best results if I put product in my hair while it was still wet, then part it and blow dry into the general shape I wanted, and then adding only a small amount more wax or pomade after. My hair is very thin so if I blow dry without products, it just falls flat again.
     

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    Any good product recommendations for shoulder length thick hair? My gf likes mine this length but idk how to up keep lol
     

  8. ridethecliche

    ridethecliche Stylish Dinosaur

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    Ask her?
     

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    Funny thing is she has shorter hair than me lol
     

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    Can someone help me out? I've been having a hard time trying to figure out what to do with my hair. Don't have a camera, but here's a picture of someone with a kind of similar face, except I have almost blond hair, really bad skin (working on that) and more fat on mine (also working on it).

    http://www.b4men.nl/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Coupe-november.-Foto-Jamie-Bowden.jpg

    What face shape is that, and what kind of cuts/styles would go with it?
     

  11. patrickBOOTH

    patrickBOOTH Stylish Dinosaur Dubiously Honored

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    I've done a fair amount of researching the chemistry behind shampoos, conditioners, and other styling products. It is very interesting stuff. All of the hate of detergents, or certain surfactants in shampoos are largely unfounded. Below I will disclose, at its most basic level the different ingredients in shampoos and conditioners, which make them effective.

    The active ingredients in shampoo is some form of detergent to emulsify oil and dirt so it can be washed away from the hair. The anti-sulphate phenomenon is responsible for shunning of Sodium laureth sulfate, or "SLES". Sulphates are used in shampoos not because they are cheaper, or any of those evil rumors that you hear of, but rather because they are extremely effective. Some people have certain reactions to them if they are not rinsed well and remain on the skin, but from what I understand those people are few and far between. All detergents are not made equally, however. An example of a less "harsh" detergent would be sodium lauryl sulfate, or "SLS". Some supposedly "sulphate free" detergents might include sodium cocoyl sulfate, which is used to trick folks who don't like to see the words "laurel", or "laureth" in their shampoo, but it is very, very similar to sodium lauryl sulphate.

    Some other premium detergents that are very mild for hair include Sodium Lauroyl Methyl Isethionate, Dosodium Laureth Sulfosuccinate, and Sodium Laurel Sarcosinate and sodium isethionate.

    Along with the detergent in shampoos there will be a melange of other conditioners that deposit on the hair. These conditioners can be silicones, proteins, or Polyquaterniums. Silicones are meant to coat the hair and offer shine, protection, manageability. Most silicones are non-polar and hydrophobic, meaning they don't have an electrical charge and they repel water. They are generally suspended in an emulsion that when you rinse your hair the silicone gets deposited on the hair shaft and repels the water (because it is hydrophobic) this is called "dilution deposition".

    Some silicones can be formulated with a charge that sticks to hair, however. The silicones that have a change, like the polyquaterniums work well as conditioners because they carry a positive electrical charge that is attracted to the hair's negative electrical charge. When in the presence of each other they hydrogen bond together. Damaged parts of the hair that has some of the hair's core exposed are even more negatively charged than the cuticle so these types of conditioners do a great job of attracting themselves to the hair and providing slip, and anti-static properties.

    Examples of some silicones include, Amodimethicone, Dimethicone, Dimethiconol, Cyclopentasiloxane.
    Examples of cationic conditioners include: Polyquaterniums, Benentrimonium Chloride, Cetrimonium Chloride

    Generally, Polyquaterniums will have a number after it. The number is only the order in which it was formulated so it doesn't tell you anything about its behavior, unfortunately. All Polyquaterniums have slightly different properties.


    If anybody has any direct questions about product ingredients I think I could be a good resource as I have developed a keen interest in cosmetic chemistry.

    Your friend,
    patrickBOOTH
     
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    Whats your opinion on the No shampoo methods out there? I did the whole baking soda and ACV thing for a while and I felt my hair was pretty healthy and clean, and I only had to wash it every couple of weeks really. Switched to conditioner (non-reisude I think) only for convenience and I've found my scalp gets a bit itchy pretty soon and have had the odd problem with dandruff which goes away with normal shampoo. I've got kinda wavy hair if that makes a difference.

    Would be good to get some scientific opinion from someone who's not biased towards any method
     

  13. patrickBOOTH

    patrickBOOTH Stylish Dinosaur Dubiously Honored

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    Well, I know for a fact that some testing has been done on apple cider vinegar and its ability to clean. A recent study I heard about on a podcast showed that apple cider vinegar pretty much does nothing in terms of removal of styling products, or dirt, oil, and the like. Baking soda is not great for hair because it has a high pH relative to where your hair wants to be. Your hair wants to be acidic at a pH of about 5.5 and baking soda is around 9. Alkalinity opens up the hair's cuticle and makes it frizzy and makes it prone to breakage (this is why most shaving creams are highly alkaline, makes cutting the hair easier). The only thing the apple cider vinegar is helpful for in this case is bringing the pH down and smoothing the cuticle of the hair. Also, the low pH is helpful to remove any mineral deposits that hard water might impart on your hair, but not any more than using a chelating shampoo would. Also, if you have hard water and use baking soda you're creating an environment for more mineral buildup, so you're effectively creating mineral build up and then rinsing it away all while not really cleaning your hair and potentially causing breakage from opening the cuticle AND the the physically aggressive properties baking soda.

    I think you might be benefiting from the apple cider vinegar because the acid is causing your scalp to turn over cells at a faster rate. You might benefit from Neutrogena T/Sal shampoo, which has 3% Salicylic Acid, which does the same thing and is much better for your hair, while having anti-inflammatory effects (salicylic acid is what gives aspirin its anti-inflammatory properties).

    Like you, I tried these kinds of more natural regiments and found it make my scalp, much more fickle. After using simple shampoo/condition regiments with more gentle detergents like I mentioned above I haven't experienced any dandruff like I used to.

    I hope this helps.
     

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    Good stuff. Have you listened to the Beauty Brains podcast or checked out their forum? They were chemists for companies that made shampoos, conditioners, etc. and they talk about the myths and realities of a lot of the products in the beauty industries.

    Also, IIRC, they mention that the whole alkalinity thing is apparently a myth except if you're going to the ends of the pH scale.
     
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  15. patrickBOOTH

    patrickBOOTH Stylish Dinosaur Dubiously Honored

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    I do listen to them and bother them quite a bit with questions.

    I do recall them saying this about the alkalinity, but the question really comes down to the degree of damage. Sure a pH of 9 isn't going to damage the hair like a straightening treatment will, but it does have an effect that can be felt and seen. In my mind the idea throwing around the pH of your hair for no real benefit can't be a good thing. They also talk at length about most damage coming from physical manipulation of the hair. The grittiness of baking soda along with the pH doesn't seem like the best idea when there are so many better options out there.
     

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